Serious ? ... Has anyone experienced "Hot Head" with Botox?


Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Feb 08,2001,12:39   Archive
I had my Botox injections yesterday and had neglected to stop taking Ticlid (blood thinner) for a week or so in advance as I usually do. No one had ever suggested this to me, but considering that I stop it before even having my teeth cleaned, I had experimented with doing so and found there was much less bruising from injections.

I told the neuro that I hadn't stopped the Ticlid as usual (remember, he had never told me to do so) and he said that was not good. I asked if he wanted me to wait a week and reschedule, but he had already opened the vial. I then asked if there might be another patient coming in who could use it, but he had already put it in the syringe. So we decided to go ahead.

The first injection really spurted blood out and the doctor said that was not good because when it bleeds the Botox tends to spread. So he debated what to do. I was sure my HMO would not pay for another session, so we continued. The next ones did not bleed much, only one more did.

Now, to my question: with the first injection, my head suddenly felt like it was on fire, and with the next it really heated up. I told the doctor and he said he had never had that happen and that my face was no redder (I have rosacea so am always red). He finished the injections and told me that I needed to sit up. My head was still kind of spinning and I could not sit up on my own. He pulled me up and I had to wait a few seconds before I could get down from the table. The feeling of heat and blurry/dizzy reaction only lasted a short time.

Last night I was very tired, possibly from going to town so early and then running around a bit, so I went to sleep early. Today, I got up feeling okay, except my face and hands are swollen.

Has anyone else ever had this "hot head" reaction?

Sally in North Idaho




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Re : Serious ? ... Has anyone experienced "Hot Head" with Botox? --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by June in Toronto (June Floyd,June in Toronto), Feb 08,2001,14:17 Top of Thread Archive
Sally, I can only commiserate with your experience - perhaps other can identify and be more helpful to you. It certainly sounds like it could have been the blood thinners. I believe Shirley posted about this way back - and I didn't know about it either. Have you stopped taking the blood thinners at other times when you've had Botox? Best wishes for a very speedy recovery. June in Toronto

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Re : Serious ? ... Has anyone experienced "Hot Head" with Botox? --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by Christel Rush , Feb 08,2001,15:18 Top of Thread Archive
Sally, I don't take blood thinners, but my Neuro didn't tell me not to take any before the injections. I think they have an obligation to tell their patients. Hope your swellings go down and all is well with you.
Christel



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Re : Serious ? ... Has anyone experienced "Hot Head" with Botox? --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by Mindy , Feb 08,2001,15:39 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Sally,
I have no idea about blood thinners.
If I were you, I'd call the doctor that gives you the blood thinners,
and see what he/she advises you.
I really can't understand why blood would spurt out?
Best Wishes,
Mindy



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Re : Serious ? ... Has anyone experienced "Hot Head" with Botox? --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Feb 08,2001,15:49 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Sally,
I'm no expert in this, but I doubt that the blood thinner made you feel hot or dizzy. THe first thing that pops into my head is that you got nervous over the fact that you hadn't stopped the Ticlid and the doctor expressed his concern but went ahead with the injections, anyway. And then you did have some bleeding which caused you more concern. The heart might have started racing due to the added stress of feeling like you had done something wrong and the doctor more or less reprimanding you. My first reaction to what you have described is that your blood pressure probably went up and so did your heart rate. The little spurt of blood didn't help to ease your conscious and probably made you feel more stresed. The heart speeding up and the BP going up and the stress can all make you get very hot, very quickly and you can really feel it in your face. Apprehension can do this to me very quickly.
When you tried to sit up, your blood pressure probably dropped making you feel dizzy and light headed-like you were going to faint.
Did you tell me that you are a diabetic? CRS When had you eaten last?
My cyber diagnosis is basically "anxiety reaction or attack". It is only a cyber guess, though. Your doctor probably didn't know, either.

Stress can really play tricks on our bodies. I really don't think that it had anything fo do with the actual injections or thte Ticlid.
I know that the first time or two that I got botox, I was very apprehensive and pretty much the same thing happened to me. I was trying to be real cool but was scared to death to get all those shots around my eyes. I became extremely hot and dizzy and was glad that he had me reclining as I felt quite faint. It did go sway quickly after the injections.

Our situations were different. I was strssed about getting the injections and I think that your stressors were a combination of being somewhat embarrassed and concerned about the events that took place.

Anyone else have any ideas?

Shirley in AR. Love ya, Sally. sorry that you had trouble.




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Re : Re; Hot and dizzy during injections --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Mindy , Feb 08,2001,16:09 Top of Thread Archive
Shirley,
Surely I can agree with everything you said,
but what about the swelling?
Mindy;-)




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Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Feb 08,2001,19:16 Top of Thread Archive
Picky, picky, picky, I knew that someone would notice that and ask. My assumption is that Sally may have problems now and then with fluid retention, anyway, and might have been totally unrelated. In other words, I don't really know.
You know, we can talk about Sally all we want to for a while since she has been cut off for the time being. But, she is too kind, and a Cereous, so I'll be good.

Shirley in AR. Feeling sad for Sally and wondering who will ever do the night shift.




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Re : Re: ReWhat about swelling? --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Feb 08,2001,21:02 Top of Thread Archive
I'm back ...... I think. So no more behind the back stuff. Even when they don't let me post, I can still read what y'all are saying about me!

Three times, I got a message telling me that my post was refused because I had exceeded my 20 message limit for the day. I could only count 7 posts, and I do have ten fingers and ten toes with which to help me count. Judy said she had never heard of such a message and didn't know about any limits.

I know I babble on too much, so the pixies of the BB are just looking out for you guys.




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Posted by June in Toronto (June Floyd,June in Toronto), Feb 08,2001,16:12 Top of Thread Archive
Shirley, I am so glad you are on this bb, like others, with your nursing expertise. Your explanation sounds so logical -I'm sure you are right - and I bet Sally is so relieved. Thanks for explaining it so well. June in Toronto



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Re : Re; Hot and dizzy during injections --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Christel Rush , Feb 08,2001,19:42 Top of Thread Archive
Exellent explanation, Shirley, makes a lot of sense.
Christel in CA



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Re : Re; Hot and dizzy during injections --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Feb 08,2001,21:06 Top of Thread Archive
Surely, Shirley is correct. In all cereusness, I think she hit the nail on the head. I do feel better, except for a nagging pain in one temple. That's tolerable.

Thanks, guys, for the support and caring.

Sally, who is ready for night shift. I just wish there were more night owls. I have to pry my eyes open in the morning and sit here all glassy-eyed reading what you early eastern birds have been up to.




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Re : Serious ? ... Has anyone experienced "Hot Head" with Botox? --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Feb 08,2001,16:33 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Sally,

I can't relate to the hot head thing, however I qued into the fact you said you had swollen face and hands. I had VERY swollen hands a few days after botox and it lasted 2-4 weeks. I called the 800 # for Allergen and asked them about it and they swore up and down that there is no way the botox could have caused the swollen hands. I am not totally convinced. I suggest you call that number (800-433-8871) and report that incident to them and ask them about it. They do keep reports of side effects and what people report to them. They should be much more knoweldgeable about the product too. I suggest that EVERYbody call them with and unique side effects.

Glad it is over for you. sorry to hear it was so scary!
Shanasy




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Re : Serious ? ... Has anyone experienced "Hot Head" with Botox? --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by Lynn Yarbrough , Feb 08,2001,20:16 Top of Thread Archive
I have not experienced the effect you appear to have had from the blood thinner, and I won't even take aspirin or Advil around injection time - Tylenol is much better from that point of view. But I would certainly stick close to my Dr. about 5-10 days from now, when the Botox takes full effect. While the Botox was injected into muscles, some of it got into the blood stream and may have spread farther than normal. I don't think there is reason for fear, just caution. Watch for symptoms of paralysis elsewhere around your face.

--- Lynn




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Re : Re: "Hot Head" with Botox --- Lynn Yarbrough
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Feb 08,2001,20:44 Top of Thread Archive
That is a possibility, Lynn and I would think that with the bleeding, that the botox might spread a little more around that area. Or possibly just more bruising. Sally, if you are at all concerned about this possibility, I would ask your doctor about it and you can also call Allergan at 1-800-433-8871 from 8 to 4 pm Pacific time and tell them what happened and ask them about it and what happens if a dose does get into your blood stream. It would have been a very small dosage and possibly could have caused the hot feeling. I would think that most of the botox would stay in the area that looks bruised and just be dispersed in that area, which wouldn't be a major problem.

Shirley in AR.




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Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Feb 08,2001,21:14 Top of Thread Archive
Lynn, the doctor did remark that the problem with being on blood thinner, aspirin, or similar and the site bleeding is that the toxin "spreads." I think that is what terrified me. He said it was up to me what to do, and I wasn't brave enough to say stop. So he said we'd just watch and "see how it does."

When I think of how ONE LITTLE THIMBLEFUL of botulinium is more than enough to wipe out the entire human race, I begin to get nervous when treatments are not routine.

Sally in North Idaho




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