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Posted by: Debbie ® 02/14/2004, 18:50:33 |
Dear Everybody, A few nights ago, I just plain forgot to use the ointment I normally put in my eyes at night. The following morning, my eyes were better than ever! They were tearing nicely and stayed moist all day long! I've been using the ointment for months now and it had become a habit. I was astonished to have better results without it. Anyway, I haven't used it for the past 3 nights and my eyes are much moister! I haven't even needed to put in drops during the day at all! So, obviously, I've stopped using the ointment. Can anybody explain this? I'm thinking that perhaps the ointment was plugging up my tear ducts and hence, making my eyes dryer. Or else, the combination of flaxseed oil and vitamin E has improved my condition in the interim.... Just wondering if this happened to anybody else. I'm flabbergasted! The ointment always felt so soothing initially, but it looks like I'm better off without it! Looking forward to your feedback,
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Posted by: June in Toronto ® 02/15/2004, 07:31:05 |
I haven't a clue what could have caused this happy result, Debbie, but just go with the flow and ENJOY. Perhaps those flaxseed oil caps and vitamin E did it. I know I always have to use the ointment at night and, if I wake up (to go you-know-where) my eyes are scratchy and I have to put more ointment in them. I still had dry spots on my corneas the last time I was at the ophthalmologist. I'm hoping the flaxseed caps will improve my dry eyes. So pleased for you. June in Toronto who saw Vanessa Redgrave and Donald Sinden in `The Hollow Crown' - readings by the Royal Shakespeare Company of the Kings and Queens of England - magnificent and no strobe lights! |
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Posted by: Debbie ® 02/15/2004, 10:45:38 |
June,
I am envious...readings by the Royal Shakespear Company, no less! I've always heard that Toronto is a great culture capital, though I've never been there. Maybe you're right....I always used the ointment too, as I thought I couldn't manage without it. Maybe it is the flaxseed effect...I hope so! So far so good (knock on wood)! Wishing you similar results with the flaxseed/vitamin E!
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Posted by: June in Toronto ® 02/16/2004, 07:10:08 |
Yes,Debbie, it was marvellous. At one point Vanessa Redgrave portrayed Jane Austin at the age of 15 when she wrote a history of England (kings and queens). It was an hilarious rendition - she was so animated (she's 67) and the whole history only took about 5 minutes. She'd say things like "well we won't talk about him very much (a king) as he died the next year" and on and on. Donald Sinden did a great leturious (sp?) impression of Henry VIII (among others), Ian Richardson (he played Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady) was also great. Leslie Howard's (he was Ashley in the film Gone with the Wind among other famous roles)) grandson Alan Howard was also on stage - very good. The whole production was amazing - it just made me want to see a whole play with them all in it though - it just tantalized me for more! I mustn't forget Stephen Gray (a much younger person than the others) was also in the production - he, apparently, is famous in his own right, an actor and muscician - he played ballards to offset all the talking on stage. I'll have great memories of this production for a long time to come. Hubby is funny - he's going around saying things in a real flowery long-winded way on occasion now - as was done on stage (with his Canadian Saskatchewan accent):-) Come to Toronto sometime Debbie (and you `all) - its a wonderful multi-cultural city. June in Toronto (Canada)
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Posted by: Debbie ® 02/16/2004, 11:03:50 |
June,
Thanks for sharing that with me! Sounds incredible! I love the theatre. I would love to go to Toronto someday....by the way, how do your eyes behave during an evening theatre production? Debbie |
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Posted by: June in Toronto ® 02/16/2004, 17:11:16 |
I don't go to the big theatre productions much Debbie, as they all seem to have strobe lights now and I just can't tolerate them at all. This production I was assured that there weren't any strobe lights in effect, and that was true. I've had other promises and it hasn't worked out and I've had to sit with a program over my eyes all night, or try and get our money back. I'd love to see Mama Mia and The Lion King, but no can do. We do go to a local theatre (we can actually walk there in 15 minutes) and they have only had 2 plays in about 8 years that I've had a problem with. One play a ghost (or at least the light and wind resembling the so-called ghost) was to be `seen' across from where I was sitting and a light was shining on me - but a friend exchanged his seat with mine. The other was 2 1-act plays and the first one had lights shining right into the first 5 rows of the audience, where I was sitting. I moved way back for the 2nd play. I love the theatre - in my past I've worked with a number of non-professional theatre groups and went to the theatre far more in England than I did the movies. Anyway I'm just so pleased I saw The Hollow Crown and have such great memories of it. June in Toronto who got her annual mammogram over and done with today - tomorrow its a consultation by a specialist on a root canal that didn't get completed - oh the joys of retirement! |
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Posted by: Linda Sue ® 02/15/2004, 11:41:22 |
That is very interesting because a couple of weeks ago I started using ointment at night in my eyes thinking that it would make them better during the day, but they actually felt worse during the day, during the time that I was using the night time ointment. I thought this strange but I guess it's like other things, what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.
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Posted by: Ann Doyle ® 02/15/2004, 13:28:05 |
A chemistry teacher once told me that if you have dry skin and put oil on it., the message goes back to the brain and it says "We have enough oil, Don't make anymore" Same type thing maybe. Ann Doyle |
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Posted by: Linda Sue ® 02/15/2004, 18:08:12 |
Good point, Ann. It certainly makes sense.
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Posted by: Lyn Down Under ® 02/15/2004, 18:13:57 |
Ann - this sounds the same as what I read once about those shampoos for "dry" hair and "oily" hair - they only make the problem worse as the body shuts down its natural goings on as the natural process has been interfered with. Lyn |
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Posted by: Debbie ® 02/15/2004, 19:13:52 |
I think Ann's chemistry teacher was a very wise woman/man. It makes total sense. Does this mean I should stop using moisturizer as well? Think of the effect on the cosmetics industry if this became widespread..... |
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Posted by: Ann Doyle ® 02/16/2004, 08:33:01 |
It's the same with antihistamine nose sprays when you have a stuffy nose. They work at first but if you use them too often , they have the reverse affect. Ann |
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Posted by: June in Toronto ® 02/16/2004, 06:55:31 |
We have to remember that with botox/beb our eyes don't fully close at night (even though it might look like they do) so we should continue putting in cream (in most cases) to protect them imho! Even if the vits finally help me I'm going to continue use the cream - we all have to figure it out to help ourselves. Best wishes June in Toronto (Canada) |
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Posted by: Ann Doyle ® 02/16/2004, 08:37:02 |
I still use it at night too, June. Sometimes I forget and I'm sorry. I used to have to use it in the afternoon but now I doon't. Maybe my eyes are closing more. I know it can be bad for your eyes to get too dry. Ann |
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Posted by: Debbie ® 02/16/2004, 11:11:53 |
Ann, Linda and June, Well, I would use the ointment too, but my eyes have been nice and moist without it, so I'm not using it for the time being. I will start using the ointment again as soon as my eyes turn back into little dried prunes. I'm certainly not saying people shouldn't use the ointment.....I was just amazed that I was actually better off without it. It's intriguing that Linda had the same ointment reaction....she had more dryness with the ointment than without. Who knows what's happening with our mysterious orbs? I do feel that the ointment is overpriced, because the ingredients are merely mineral oil and petroleum jelly, neither of which are expensive when purchased separately. Ten bucks for one tiny little tube......or is it cheaper in Canada, June? Wishing moist eyes to all of you,
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Posted by: Ann Doyle ® 02/16/2004, 11:46:48 |
One of my Drs. suggested Petroleum jelly. Why not put mineral oil on the eye and the jelly around the outside. I know some people use a Q tip to outline the eye in jelly. |
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Posted by: June in Toronto ® 02/16/2004, 17:17:06 |
Lacrilube sells for about $15, Tear Gel $1.39, Refresh Liquigel (drops) $20, Tears Naturale $11 - all in Canadian dollars. As our dollar is not worth as much as your U.S. (about $1.40 Cdn for $1. U.S.) $ -its expensive here. Glad your eyes are moist - enjoyt it all. June in Toronto (Canada) |
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Posted by: Barbara ® 02/16/2004, 18:48:44 |
I have been using Genleal lubricant eye gel and have also noticed that my eyes have gotten drier in the morning. I have then been taking many of your suggestions and using petroleum jelly around the eyes at night and have had much better results. Am so grateful that it was discussed on the board because I never would have thought of using that. Thanks to you all . I have learned so much here. Warmly Barbara |
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Posted by: Shirley Barr in New Mexico ® 02/16/2004, 20:23:49 |
Debbie,
I agree with what you are saying about the use of the eye lubricants. I really think that we all just have to listen to our own bodies(or eyes). I have tons of eye drops, ointments and gels and just pick and choose what I'm needing at the time. My problem with dry eyes flutuates with botox usuage and the weather and wind and countless other things. Things were different right after my surgery and my eyes did not close completely for a time. That's not the case anymore but then botox figures into it also. There are times that I wear an eye mask at night and other times I do not. Some days I carry preservative free eye drops around in my pocket to use frequently throughout the day and other days I never use them. My eyes tend to burn and feel irritated when they are dry. I also know that if I'm into a project and really concentrating on something that my eyes are probably going to get dry as I won't be blinking as much so I try to remember to put drops in during that time and take an eye break and just close them for awhile. I really have found that the use of the pure petrolatum...a very thin layer smeared around the eye area at night makes a big difference for me. I haven't used an eye ointment in my eyes for quite some time now....I too, found it somewhat irritating to my eyes. Just use common sense and know what your eyes are doing or not doing and treat accordingly. Shirley in New Mexico |
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Posted by: Anamarie ® 02/17/2004, 20:19:36 |
For the past few days I have been reading these messages so I decided to give it a try. Amazing! My eyes are better without the nighttime ointment! I never would have tried this on my own. Thanks for the discovery. More than once, I have stopped at a pharmacy to pick up some ointment when we have been on vacations and I have left my ointment on my night stand. One less item to purchase. I have not used artificial tears in the daytime for a long time. My ophthalmologist suggested that I use them before I was diagnosed with BEB. Anamarie |
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Posted by: Debbie ® 02/17/2004, 21:26:21 |
Dear Anamarie,
That's something else! Amazing! I'm glad you tried, since the results were positive. It's been almost a week now for me, and I'm better than ever....no ointment at night, no drops during the day. Thanks for sharing that with us!
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Posted by: Anamarie ® 02/22/2004, 19:50:03 |
Debbie, I am still doing well. For me this is interesting. My insurance policy changed at the beginning of this year so that it will cover only limited amount of my prescriptions which I order and pay a co-pay. After finding that I had nearly $600 charged to my $1500 limit for a medicine that I do not feel that I need, I decided that I would try to go off of all of my medications. It has taken several weeks but starting Wednesday of this week I will be off of everything and I am doing very well. I am not even taking Arthrotec any more and I have taken it for several years. Not having to buy nighttime ointment just eliminates another expense. I have often wondered if some of my medication contributed to BEB. It could be that some of them made my eyes very dry, a condition that we all know can trigger BEB. At any rate. I am watching what I eat and taking vitamins, calcium, fish oil, supplimental Vitamin C and E. I also swim a lot which seems to keep my joints in good condition. Swimming was something that I could do before I had the partial myectomy. Good luck. Anamarie |
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Posted by: ggrotke ® 03/04/2004, 21:25:37 |
I had been taking an acid-blocker (Protonix and then Prilosec-OTC) for GERD for a couple of years. I tapered off and stopped taking this three weeks ago and my dry eyes got MUCH better. I was able to drive 20 miles both day and night with no problems at all! I have gone from using drops several times per day, down to just once in the morning and once before bed. My theory is that BEB is initiated by eye irritation, which can be caused by many different things. For some of us it may be an allergy, for others a change in our body chemistry with age, etc. Once the eyes are irritated, the blinking and even lack of eye opening may cause additional irritation, so it is self-perpetuating. Personally, my eyes work the best when I work under flourescent lights at my computer (with my wife gone!). Since so many different things can cause this problem, I think we all need to experiment to see what works for us. I had the same experience with night-time ointment, so I stopped using it long ago. |
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