bad case of ptosis


Posted by kathy , Jul 30,2001,13:13   Archive
i am having a bizarre case of ptosis that i have not had so badly in a long time . since it's been so long i forgot how long this is going to last. i also used the genteal gel for the first time which is about the same time this set in. there's no way these two events could be related?? please respond.



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Re : bad case of ptosis --- kathy
Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Jul 30,2001,19:33 Top of Thread Archive
Kathy, had you just had Botox injections when the ptosis showed up? I have had it two or three times following injections and it usually lasts about 2-4 weeks. I just bought GenTeal gel and haven't tried it yet. I've no idea if there is a connection there.

Shirley has relatives visiting and probably won't see your post immediately to answer, but she will no doubt get to you with good answers soon. Or maybe someone else has had the same conincidence.

Take care.

Sally in North Idaho where it is 70F and cloudy.




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Posted by kathy , Aug 02,2001,15:45 Top of Thread Archive
sally, i had the worst case of ptosis a week after i thought i wasn't going to get any side effects. that was also in conjunction w/the trying of 2 new products, both of which i stopped immediately!! i am okay now and sort of resting after this experience. just to let everyone on this BB. know.



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Posted by Delaine Inman , Jul 30,2001,23:04 Top of Thread Archive
If the ptosis is after Botox it had nothing to do with the eye drops. I've had ptosis twice after Botox and it took 5 weeks the first time for it to completely go away and three weeks the next time, but it was only half as bad. They don't inject over my eyelids I'm so sensitive to it and it travels over to the muscle that closes the eye and causes the ptosis when the Botox starts working and doesn't leave until it starts really wearing off. If you had a reaction to the eye drops, both eyes would have reacted. I've used the drops before and they seem to be good drops without preservatives. Placement of the Botox causes Ptosis, your doctor will need to know what happened so it is not given in the same place again. This too shall pass. Hang in there.

Delaine Inman who has had a happy 51st birthday today!




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Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Jul 30,2001,23:58 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Delaine,

Here's wishing you another 51 happy ones!!! Glad this was a good one.

Sally in North Idaho where it is still your birthday.




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Posted by Evelyn , Aug 01,2001,23:55 Top of Thread Archive
Please add my wishes for a Happy Birthday, Delaine.
Evelyn



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Posted by Christel-California , Jul 31,2001,09:30 Top of Thread Archive
Delaine,
Happy Birthday one day late. I'm glad it was a happy one. The cyber cake is being delivered shortly, it's 8 layer chocolate cake, no fat, no cholesterol and no calories. Who can resist that?

Best Wishes,
Christel in Ca. where it's nice and cool this morning




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Posted by Delaine Inman , Jul 31,2001,10:16 Top of Thread Archive
Yummy, I'll save everyone a piece. No candles please...I don't want the fire department to come.



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Posted by Joanne Matuzas , Jul 31,2001,11:24 Top of Thread Archive
Delaine--hope it was happy!! Joanne M. San Diego, CA



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Posted by Joann Humphrey , Jul 31,2001,18:30 Top of Thread Archive
Happy B-day a day late from me too. Let's celebrate birthdays in Scottsdale. Joann in Arkansas were temp is 100



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Posted by June in Toronto (June Floyd,June in Toronto), Jul 31,2001,11:26 Top of Thread Archive
Hope you are having a great day - congratulations.

June in Toronto




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Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Jul 31,2001,23:26 Top of Thread Archive
I just wanted to wish you a happy belated birthday, also. Glad your back.

Shirley




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Posted by Shelley Chambers , Aug 01,2001,16:19 Top of Thread Archive
Delaine - Happy Birthday! I turned 51 two weeks ago.
Shelley/CA



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Posted by kathy , Aug 03,2001,10:12 Top of Thread Archive
thank god it wore off sooner than that. i was getting really panicky.
Happy birthday!! i didn't know if it was the gel or not, but will definitely wait a few days before trying it again. the others are way too oily for me to use.
Happy Birthday!



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Posted by caroline donald (bH,caroline donald), Jul 31,2001,15:10 Top of Thread Archive
Kathy: I have ptosis every time I get the shots. It usually lasts about 5 weeks. I have never used genteal gel. So I would say there is no connection. It has to do with placement of the shots. I think I have a lazy eyelid on the left side, so it always happens to me.

Caroline in the SF Bay Area where it has been really cool so far this summer and I love it!!!!!!!

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Posted by kathy , Aug 03,2001,10:15 Top of Thread Archive
thanks. i am really envious of your weather right now. my dahlia in the garden at least loves this heat.



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Posted by Kelly Saffell , Jul 31,2001,17:42 Top of Thread Archive
I used to get ptosis in my left eyelid every time my old doctor injected me. It would last about a month and my eye would be completely closed by the end of the day. He told me it was normal but with my current doctor I have only had it once in 4 years. I have never used the gel. Keep your chin up - I still remember how miserable and self conscious I was during that month.

Kelly in Dallas




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Posted by Delaine Inman , Jul 31,2001,22:42 Top of Thread Archive
Along with the bad case of ptosis which closed my left eye completely the first time I got Botox....she hit a blood vessel and gave me a black eye for 3 weeks. I looked like I'd been beaten up and I hated the way my eyes felt. She said ptosis had happened only 3 times in her many years of practice. A different doctor who said it had happened to her once gave me my second set because the other doc was out having a baby and I became #2 for her but my eye only closed half way and wasn't black and blue. Now I point out the blood vessel to everybody who does Botox or acupuncture so I don't get a black eye and I tell them about the 2 times of ptosis and so far people have listened and it hasn't happened again. From all the responses you can see it happens often, but it shouldn't happen everytime....the doc needs to inject in a different spot or find another doc. There is a glaucoma eye drop that the docs had me use to try to make it go away, but I don't think it helped me, but they say it helps sometimes.



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Posted by kathy , Aug 03,2001,11:18 Top of Thread Archive
it doesn't happen that badly every time. this time caught me totally by surprise.thanks for everyone's support.



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Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Jul 31,2001,23:24 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Kathy,
Bummer, Huh? When I have had a ptosis in the past, it has lasted about as long as my botox does. When the botox starts to wear off, your ptosis will be gradually improving. Some people say that it will only last a couple of weeks for them but I never found that to be the case for me. I do feel that a ptosis from botox is almost always technique related. Some people, I believe are also more susceptible to getting them than others. Sometimes it depends on what muscles are effected with your BEB. The doctors are trying to stop the squeezing muscles. I happened to have one on one eye that went directly across the levator muscle and in order to stop that offending muscle from working overtime, a ptosis would also occur when botox was injected there. My surgery has taken care of that problem, though.

I doubt that the GenTeal gel had anything to do with the ptosis. Are both eyes effected? Just stop the using the GenTeal gel for a while and see if things get better if you think that might be causing the problem. Do use some other kind of drop and oint at night though as you have said that your eyes get really dry after your injections.
Be sure and tell your doctor about it and make sure that he is injecting "away" or pointing the needle away from the levator muscle in your upper lid and brow area. Even injections given in the brow area can seep down into the levator muscle causing a ptosis.

I'm sorry, I know that you are miserable. Hang in there. You've gotten lots of good replies.

Shirley in AR. who goes to St.Louis tomorrow for botox




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Posted by coleen dennis , Aug 01,2001,19:43 Top of Thread Archive
Being that I have only had two sets of Botox, I am not sure what is meant by ptosis from the inside. I know it is the drooping of the eyelid which you can see when looking at the eyelids. But what does it feel like from the inside? I know my eyelids droop significantly since my neuro-ophthalmologist is sending me to the surgeon to remove some of the excess baggage. The first week after the shots my eyes felt more open and now I am starting to notice that the eyes are harder to keep open. Did I have my peak already and then it is downhill from here?Sometimes I feel like my eyes have to zigzag to open instead of just opening and the kids noticed the other day that it looks like my eyes are going around and in different directions from each other. What is that???? I'm not sure if this is due to ptosis or maybe apraxia of the eyelid. How do you tell the difference?

Sorry for all the questions but my doctor can't tell me what it is like from the inside and I know that I can come here and all of you can relate to what I am saying.

Thanks for the help.....Coleen in Central PA who is enjoying being able to go around without the shades since the Botox. I'm going to enjoy this while I can.




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Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Aug 01,2001,20:16 Top of Thread Archive
"Zig zag" ... "going in circles" ... Uh huh! I can relate to that. I don't know the cause, though. And Botox only lasts two months with me.
It surprised me to read that you can "go around without the shades since the Botox." It does nothing to help my photosensitivity.

Yes, enjoy while you can!

Sally in North Idaho




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Posted by Kelly Saffell , Aug 01,2001,20:50 Top of Thread Archive
I have had people tell me that my eyes deviate. My eyeballs fly around all over the place only I can't tell it is happening. I took my daughter to the pediatrition a couple of years ago with double ear infections and the flu and I was less than 1 week post op with an appendectomy. The ped asked me if I was on pain meds because of how bad my eyes looked. I explained what was wrong and now he's one of my biggest supporters. I can NEVER be without my shades. That's incredible. My shots only last 2 months as well.

Kelly in Dallas (but only until Thurs and I'm off to Grand Cayman with my sister for a few days without hubby and kids! Can we say RELAX!!)




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Posted by kathy , Aug 03,2001,10:23 Top of Thread Archive
yes . i did have that only once before where my eyes looked pretty strange to me and other people also looked at me strangely. i went and looked in the mirror and saw why.



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Posted by kathy , Aug 03,2001,10:19 Top of Thread Archive
it is a temporary side effect from the injections. my eyes just stayed closed gently but firmly and i had to hold my forehead and brow up to walk or do anything. very bad. i had to do this to even see to cook, which has never happened before. i was starving!



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Posted by Joann Humphrey , Aug 03,2001,16:45 Top of Thread Archive
It's been 4 wks since my last injections & I have ptosis. I taught a class a couple of nights ago, & had to hold one eye open for 2 1/2 hours. My arm ached so much I had to take an aspirin. I have to hold my eye open to use the computer too, Really a nuisance. Joann in ARK where it's still hot.



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