Hi All Magnesium


Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 15,2001,09:07   Archive
Hi Everybody!

Sorry I stayed away so long - my eyes just hurt TOOO much to read the board anymore, however I thought I'd drop in and say hi and tell you what I am doing (trying). I haven't done botox in 6 months because I was pretty discouraged by the lack of time it lasted - not to mention the unbelievable torture I endured receiving it. Right now I am trying high doses of a special form of magnesium. Consindering mag. is the main mineral responsible for neuromuscular problems, muscle spasms, muscle twitching, etc., it seems to me it should be looked more into (unless others have and I didn't know). I know many of you have tried mag. supplements unsuccessfully, but have you tried EXTRA HIGH doses of it and did you know exactly what FORM of mag. you were taking, how exactly available that form is to the body's CELLS or is it just floating around in the blood not doing anything? Has anyone ever had a blood test called an "intracellular mag. scan"? This blood test supposedly tells how well the mag. is actually getting into your cells - NOT just your blood. It costs about $40 and MUST be done by a lab that is used to analyzing it DAILY. (I chose not to do it before starting the high doses because there are a cople of things that can throw it off, PLUS I decided to try this NO MATTER WHAT!) Many doctors may recommend the "SERUM mag. screen," however, this just tells how much is in the blood and is INEFFECTIVE in determining how well it is working in your body and being absorbed by your cells. There are many different FORMS of mag. sold in health food stores, many of which are very ineffective and are never absorbed into the cells where they do their "work" on the neuromuscular system and elsewhere. I have been doing alot of research on mag. lately and have found out many surprising things CONTRACY to current popular knowledge and info - especially how it works with calcium. According to what I have read, by taking high doses of mag. (in a GOOD, EFFICIENT INTRAcellular from), one can see results anywhere from immediately to 2 weeks. (I know everyone is different and some may take alot longer). Generally those who are lacking the most, will more likely see at least some results sooner (or so I've read). I will keep you all informed on how well it works for me (assuming it does). I have been doing the high doses only 3 1/2 days so far. I read that IF you are taking the right form of mag. it is VERY difficult to get too much of it or upset your cal./mag. balance - especially since you MUST have enough mag. in order to adbosrb calcium. Any comments?

Shanasy, who is ... NOT giving up/in, NOT willing to accept, NOT sitting still and NOT done with research.

Rhonda, did you read this - I know you were asking about mag. a few days ago.




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Re : Hi All Magnesium --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Dee in OR , Sep 15,2001,12:17 Top of Thread Archive
Shanasy,

I love you!! Keep trying all these alternative things and let us know the outcome. You know I am always interested in hearing from you and stirring up trouble on the BB with those nasty "ALTERNATIVE TREATMENTS!!" I wish you success with the mag. Keep me posted Blinkie.

Love ya,
Shrinkie




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Posted by r coutant , Sep 15,2001,17:48 Top of Thread Archive
thank you for the info.

rhonda




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Re : Hi All Magnesium --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Ann Doyle , Sep 15,2001,19:12 Top of Thread Archive
Shanasy
How high is a high dosage? Or how high a dossage are you taking? How do you know you are getting the right kind--Does it say intracellular or what? I've been taking it but I just read the bottle and it said 3 times a day and I've only been taking it once and it doesn't say anything special about it. Ann Doyle



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Re : Hi All Magnesium --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Evelyn , Sep 15,2001,22:44 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Shanasy, Good to see you back on the bb. Don't give up. I just started taking Magnesium again a few days ago. I take it at night along with calcium and Vit. C. I was so cold all of the time and my youngest brother, who is quite knowledgeable about supplements, told me I probably needed to take those things. Already I'm warmer. I can be freezing in warm weather, so I'm glad it's helping. My brother says that when your body has too much magnesium you usally get diaherrea. That's happened several times in the past, so I stop the mag. for a while. Hope it works for you for your particular needs..
Evelyn



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Re : Hi All Magnesium --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 16,2001,11:19 Top of Thread Archive
I've been trying to post/repsond since yesterday and I keep getting errors when I try, so I had to do it this way, sorry.

DEE: I sure love you too girlfriend!!!!

EVELYN: I'm taking 12 caps a day and no diahrrea(sp?) or ANY side effects that I notice so far!!!!! Make sure you check which FORM of mag.!

ANN: The 3 forms that are best (intracellular) are: orotate, aspartate or glycinate. If your health food store doesn't have these on the shelves, the manager or owner is not very knowledgable. I am taking it in orotate form. I amtaking about 12 caps a day in which 2 caps make up 80 mg. - which doesn't seem terribly high, however when taking an easily absorbably form (such asl isted above) you can take a much lower dose. If this doeson't work, I may try getting it intravenously (maybe 2 grams) by an MD. Magnesium Oxide is nearly perfectly NOT absorbable. It is the cheapest form of magnesium. Citrate is, according to some sources, an inorganic form of magnesium and thus ineffective (pretty sure of this but not 100%). Hope this helps!




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Re : Attn: Dee, Ann, Evelyn --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Sep 16,2001,14:27 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Shanasy, Glad to have you back on board. You must not stay away for such long periods of time.
Of course, I would be taking the cheapest form of magnesium which is the magnesium oxide which probably isn't doing me a bit of good so I will check into the other forms at the health food store.

My mother, several times in past years during hospitalizations, was found to be extremely low in magnesium. Interesting.

Thanks Shanasy,
Shirley in AR.

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FYI on mega doses of Minerals and Electrolytes

Re : Attn: Dee, Ann, Evelyn --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Delaine Inman , Sep 16,2001,19:02 Top of Thread Archive
In my nursing days, we gave Mag Citrate to clean patients out for GI tests as laxative. Everyone keep in mind you need some guidance in taking any Mineral or Electrolyte....they control the muscles and the heart is a muscle too. So you can get in big trouble if you over do some of things like Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, Potassium...the positive and negative electrical charges of these control the complex opening of the cell membranes and the movement of muscles...contraction and relaxation. Too little or too much can be deadly to the heart. If you are taking large amounts, please be sure you get credible people who are knowledgeable in mega doses. Unfortunately I think many over the counter Vit/Min are not absorbed by the body and the health food store is the best place to buy them. Magnesium is often mentioned as a deficiency for Fibromyalgia. So play detective and find name brands that have a good reputation for having the amount they say they have and can be absorbed through the intestional tract. There are some good books and resources out there.



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Re : FYI on mega doses of Minerals and Electrolytes --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Priscilla R , Sep 18,2001,19:53 Top of Thread Archive
Delaine,
Thanks for sharing your information with us. I really never
thought about these vitamins affecting the heart. I really think I was deficient in a lot of these vitamins. Actually I never wld take vitamins. I'll look into what you just posted and be very careful.

Thanks for the info.
Priscilla R-Dallas



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Re : Hi All Magnesium --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by kathy , Sep 16,2001,12:56 Top of Thread Archive
yes shanasy, actually i did quite a bit of reseaech on magnesium defiencies about a year or so ago. it is indeed responsible for a lot of things if you are deficient in it. however i did have a doctor tell me that it was so available in a wide variety of foods that a defiency was not a common thing. i also discovered it was not in the vitamins i took on a daily basis. are you taking it every day? i took a suplement for awhile and found that it did cause diarrhea. now i take it ian a calcium, magnesium, zinc form.



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Re : Re: Hi All Magnesium --- kathy
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 17,2001,21:15 Top of Thread Archive
According to many sources that I have read, 80% of people are deficient in magnesium. I, personally, am leary about taking nutrition advice from a dr. since they have such little education in that. Nutrition is not their specialty. They are more educated in drugs and medicines.

Yes I am taking mag. every day - approx. 12 capsules and I am glad to say that TODAY was an unusually good eye day where my eyes were good 80% of the day (usually it is about 15% of the day). It could be a fluke or hopefully it is the magnesium kicking in. If I keep having good days like today, then I WILL be convinced it's the mag. Today is Day 6 of the "Magnesium Trials".




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Re : Hi All Magnesium --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Priscilla R , Sep 16,2001,17:32 Top of Thread Archive
Shanasy,
I started taking magnesium along with calcium plus another type of magnesium call magnesium aspartate. I'm also taking vitamin b6,b12,multivitamins. In one month I could tell teh difference. My symptoms had improved so much I was able to go back to work.
I found a woman who new about my condition and she suggested these vitamins. I tried vitamins from a drugstore but I could not tell the difference until I bought some from her store.
She has added other vitamins to the ones I just mentioned. I started getting ptosis of the right eye and then started taking more vitamins and It did help the ptosis but the right eyes muscles seem to feel week. Hopefully I can get it back to where it was. the right side of my face has always felt different and I have told my doctors but they don't seem interested.
Good luck to you and I really hope you get some results with the magnesium.
You can e-mail me if you have questions as to what vitamins I'm taking.
Priscilla R - Dallas

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Re : Re: Hi All Magnesium --- Priscilla R
Posted by Mindy , Sep 16,2001,21:02 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Priscilla,
I'm so happy to hear you are doing so well :-)
Would you mind posting the vitamins and the mgs. that are helping you?

And I would like to thank you for your kind words whenever
you reply to my posts.
God Bless,
Mindy in NY




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Re : Re: Hi All Magnesium --- Mindy
Posted by Priscilla R , Sep 17,2001,18:29 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Mindy,
The vitamins I take are calcium magneium complex the ratio is 500mg of calcium and 300 mg of magneium I take 4 tablets a day. the other is magneium-potassium aspartate and the ratio is 600 magnesium and 198mg of potassium,multivitamin wtih coq10,ginkgo and lipoic acid 4 tablets a
day 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening after a meal. I also take vitamin b6,100 mg,b12 with folic acid 500mcg twice a day for each vitamin. I have been doing this for a year. Now I am not completely cure but I am still able to drive and work which is great. The lady who gave me these vitamins added a b complex recently and vitamin c.
I am behind a computer all day long so my eyes get tired at the end of the day.
If you want the brand names just e-meil me and I'll let you know. But I suggest you find someone who is very knowlegable with vitamins.
Prisclla-Dallas



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Re : Re: Hi All Magnesium --- Priscilla R
Posted by Mindy , Sep 17,2001,21:39 Top of Thread Archive
Thank you Priscilla,
Mindy in NY



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Re : Hi All Magnesium --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by kathy , Sep 18,2001,16:39 Top of Thread Archive
the research i did, all of it on the net, mentioned many things that can deplete magnesium from the body. it also mentioned that it was not as readily available in drinking water, in fact a rather large deficit. But what was most interesting to me is that it can be depleted rapidly from the body in chronic illnesses and especially those with chronic pain. this directly pertained to our problems. it is also readily available in milk products, so if you are lactose intolerant , this would compound the problem.
i did try this powder supplement of calcium, magnesium in a Vit. C base from a company called CalMax, as i did think it was a good idea, but i broke out in hives. i called the company and they said it was a rare reaction and that i was probably allergic to Vit. C. i also felt strongly that perhaps magnesim defiencies were important in muscle disorders; maybe we are on to something! i'm also curious about the depletion of vital minerals and vitamins that could be depleted from our bodies with some of the medications we take.
thanks shanasy for bringing this up again. please reply.



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Re : Re: Hi All Magnesium/shanasy --- kathy
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 22,2001,18:46 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Kathy,

I apologize that you had asked me to reply and I haven't until now. Sorry to say I don't read the board too often because my eyes just hurt too much and it is too hard to read. I know this subject (mag.) gets covered on occasion here on the board, however, until the cure comes, to me, I don't think that any subject is ever talked about too much. Yes I am surprised that magnesium has not been looked more into. IF this dis-ease could possibly be caused by a magneisum deficiency, it seems that the only way to see if mag. supplementation would help would be to take HIGH doses (closely monitored by a "health" profesisonal that is). Personally I think that just taking a cal/mag supplement will NOT make any difference, especially if we are severely depleted enough to cause a disease such as this. I think it would be VERY interesting for many of us to be tested for vitamin/mineral deficienceis or toxic metal accumulations (thru hair analysis, intracellular blood screens, etc.) to see if there are any commonalities there. It would be interesting to see, thru an intracellualr mag. blood screen, how many of us are deficient in mag. and how much. It is an inexpensive test (around $40) and, according to the clinic I went to, it doesn't have to be ordered by a dr. you can request it yourself. Let me know if you go any further with this. I am checking out magnesium injections.

Shanasy

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Posted by kathy , Sep 23,2001,08:52 Top of Thread Archive
thank you shanasy for replying. since i did go pretty much into this in depth, i am still interested . yesterday i just bought an additional magnesium supplement, 250 milligrams of magnesium oxide. i remember when i took it before, it really increased my energy for awhile and it said to take it early in the day so as not to interfere with your sleep, because of this "revving" effect it has on your body. i also have before me this catalog with the perborate form you are taking. any comments on this?



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Re : Re: Magnesium/Attn Kathy --- kathy
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 23,2001,10:36 Top of Thread Archive
I hate to say it, but before you take any more mag. oxide, RETURN it to your health food store. There is an abundance of info and research stating that mag. oxide is the LEAST assimilable form of mag. It is only about 5% available to the cells and that's where you want it to end up. It is inorganic - which makes it unavailable. Almost any form of mag. is better than "oxide". The 3 BEST forms are orotate, aspertate or glycinate. Dont' settle for anything less. As for the "perborate" form - I have never heard of it in all my research (unless that was a type). I am taking "orotate" I haven't noticed any increase in energy, however I am losing weight and I can't afford to as I am down to 93 lbs. (yes I have a small framed body). Don't know if the mag. has anything to do with my weight loss - I've only lost a few pounds. My best weight is about 97.

Shanasy

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Re : Re: Magnesium/Attn Kathy --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by kathy , Sep 23,2001,19:11 Top of Thread Archive
thank you shanasy. where on earth did the word perborate come into my mind?? it's natural magnesium from the grocery store vitamin supplement aisle. do you think i should order some orotate from this atkins catalogue?



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Re : Re: Magnesium/Attn Kathy --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Mindy , Sep 23,2001,20:14 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Shanasy,
I had blood tests and hair analysis.
My magnesium and everything else was normal.
The only thing that came back a little high was
aluminum.
I had this work done when I was considering chelation.

I not only have to have a prescription from a doctor
to get these tests done, I have to go to a lab that is listed in my
insurance book.
I was told these tests were expensive.
The hair analysis was done by the doctor and was not
covered by insurance, it cost $55.

Mindy in NY

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Posted by Joann Humphrey , Sep 24,2001,11:21 Top of Thread Archive
I bought a bottle of magnesium with chelated zinc yesterday. Haven't opened it yet. Do you think I should talk to my dr. before taking it?
It also has a little calcium in it. Joann



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Posted by kathy , Sep 24,2001,16:22 Top of Thread Archive
shanasy please reply on these questions! do you think it's harmful to take magnesium in these other forms or just ineffective? can you obtain these other forms at only health food stores?



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Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 24,2001,19:47 Top of Thread Archive
According to what I have read, mag. oxide is bascially just ineffective - but since it is ineffective, then I definately wouldn't bother with it. When you ask about obtaining only at health food stores I am not sure what you are asking or where else you mean. I bought my stuff through mail order. I am not big on buying supplements at groceries or drugstores - I don't trust their brands. One has to be careful what brand one buys because the manufacturing process is also a VERY important issue in making supplements easily or effectively assimiliated in the body. Now there's a tough one to figure out!

Hope I answered your question.
shanasy




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Posted by kathy , Sep 25,2001,09:27 Top of Thread Archive
thanks for answering. where do you get yours?



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Posted by kathy , Sep 25,2001,11:44 Top of Thread Archive
thanks for answering , where do you get your magnesium?



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Re : Re: Magnesium/Attn Shanasy --- Joann Humphrey
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 24,2001,19:32 Top of Thread Archive
First I would check your bottle and see what FORM of mag. it is (oxide, orotate, aspertate, glycinate, citrate, etc.) If it is oxide then I would say definately take it back.

As for talking to your dr. about it, my personal opinion, is talk to your dr. about it ONLY if he also specializes or takes special interest in nutriton (which if you ask me, VERY few doctors do). I tend to think that people should only get nutrition advice from a nutritionist, natropath, herbalist or a dr that specializes in nutrition, alternative therapies, etc. Most conventional doctors only get but maybe one semester of nutrition in med school and it seems to me what they are taught is archaic - 50+ years behind the times.

I am a bit opinionated on this and I know there are others out there that probably strongly disagree and welcome their dr's nutritional advice.

Hugs,
Shanasy




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Re : Re: Magnesium/Attn Shanasy --- Mindy
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Sep 24,2001,18:59 Top of Thread Archive
Mindy,

If I may ask, whay were you considering chelation for? Anything to do with BEB or something else? And if if had any6thing to do with BEB, what did you learn about it?

Actually I thought $55 wasn't too bad for a hair analysis - especially since it wasn't covered.

My lab said I could order the mag. test on my own, but of course I would have to pay for it on my own.

Anxious to hear more about the chelation decision (if it had anything to do with BEB).

Shanasy

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Posted by Mindy , Sep 24,2001,20:38 Top of Thread Archive
Shanasy,
I was considering chelation for BEB.
I wanted to explore all kinds of alternative treatments.
I thought maybe I had too much of something in my system, throwing
other things out of whack.

I thought $55. was a good price for the hair analysis.
It costs a lot of money to be tested for each special
chemisty level. (outside toxins) I think I'm saying that right.

Basically it was a gut decision against it.
I was afraid while they were chelating something, other things
might get chelated and I didn't want to end up more messed up than I already was.
It's not proven to work.
Others from the dystonia BB tried it and it didn't help.

It was just a personal choice. If I don't have confidence that something is going to work, it won't.
If you're gonna try something, you have to go in it with positive expectations.

Mindy in NY




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Posted by joyce whitt/NC (Joyce Whitt,joyce whitt/NC), Sep 25,2001,09:41 Top of Thread Archive
I am not sure what you mean by clelation - are you referring to a form of magnesium? I have a history of migraines which started at the same time I first began to have symptons of BEB. My eye doctor sent me to a neurologist for the headaches and he told me to take 800 units of Chelated magnesium - 400 in the morning and 400 in the evening. At first I thought it was helping my headaches but like anything else they came back. I got discouraged and quit taking the chelated magnesium. I probably should have continued. Since I broke my foot the doctor told me to start taking Oscal 500 +D twice a day so I have added the magnesium again because "they say" that magnesium needs to be taken with the Calcium to help the body absor it better.

Joyce in NC




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Re : Re: Magnesium/Attn Shanasy --- joyce whitt/NC
Posted by Mindy , Sep 25,2001,13:40 Top of Thread Archive
The chelation I was referring to uses intravenus(Shirley will correct my spelling :-)
whatever they use is attracts heavy metals from our bodies, and somehow
removes them.
Mindy



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Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Sep 25,2001,15:29 Top of Thread Archive
You may sit down, Mindy. You misspelled intravenous. You did use it in the proper context, though, so you may continue to post. :-)

I don't normally go around checking everyone's spelling, folks. Just a select few. Mindy is one of the lucky ones.

Shirley in AR. who cannot spell words out loud but can usually spell them when writing them without even thinking about it. So, I never got very far in a spelling bee.




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Re : Re: Mindy is out of the spelling bee! --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Mindy , Sep 25,2001,17:05 Top of Thread Archive
Thanks Surely,
I new I cood count on u - LOL
Mindy



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