Compassionate Friends


Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 09,2001,13:58   Archive
I have been overwhelmed by the many people writing from their heart. It has truly lifted my spirits. Now I would like to continue as just another person learning how to pick on Shirley. Any Advice or does it come naturally?
If I get on another crying jag, I'll let you know or go shopping. Thank you, Ann D.



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Re : Compassionate Friends --- Ann Doyle
Posted by June in Toronto (June Floyd,June in Toronto), Oct 09,2001,14:42 Top of Thread Archive
Glad you are feeling better Ann - we all need lifting up every so often. What do they say "when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping"! As far as Shirley is concerned, she's got broad shoulders and can take being picked on, as well as giving it out - but perhaps we should be extra kind to her at the moment as I don't think she is really up to par. Then again, perhaps its what she needs to make her feel wanted:-)
Take care
June in Toronto




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Re : Compassionate Friends --- Ann Doyle
Posted by Virginia , Oct 09,2001,16:21 Top of Thread Archive
You just sit back and wait until she least expects it - then jump in. I think it will come naturally to you.

Virginia in AL, glad you're feeling a little better.




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Re: Advice for picking on Shirley?

Re : Compassionate Friends --- Ann Doyle
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 09,2001,19:21 Top of Thread Archive
Ann, I think that for most, it just comes naturally. Take Virginia, for instance. For whatever reason, I find it very natural to pick on Virginia (or Alan for that matter). In fact, I have a list of people somewhere, that I just love to pick on. And if anybody gives you any advice on this, they will also be on my list. ;-)

Ann, if you go on another crying jag, let us know and THEN go shopping.
We'll be hear waiting with tissues and cookies.

Shirley in AR.




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Re: Let me know in advance abut cookies

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Oct 09,2001,22:26 Top of Thread Archive
Let me know in advance if I'm to bring cookies. It has been taking me up to two weeks to make one batch! I'm not slow or anything like that, could I get away with saying I'm a perfectionist? Maybe I'll bring the tissues; I could get to the store and pick some up.

Sally in North Idaho who has been in agony with sciatic nerve (which I diagnosed myself after long sessions with doctors who couldn't find the cause). Maybe they are related to the guys who can never come up with the correct diagnosis for BEB!




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Re: Advice for picking on Shirley?

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 10,2001,07:55 Top of Thread Archive
Can I fake a crying jag and get cookies? Boo Hoo (or is that Halloween?) O poor me, Ain't it awful. I need a cookie. My husband is sick with a cold and expects to be waited on. Can things get worse than that? Annn Doyle



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Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Ann Doyle
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 10,2001,08:21 Top of Thread Archive
On top of everything else....that pretty much pushes you over the edge, to have a husband with a cold who turns into a little boy who needs a mother. You deserve all the cookies you want. What is your favorite? Now we ARE working on trying to clone Shirley and Virginia's husband (they are not your average bear, if you know what I mean....)Short of that, we could ask that they do a presentation on how to pamper and support your spouse at next years conference. I didn't mean to bring up the word short, cause that leads to visions of shorts and underwear and we have got to lay off that subject if we want Roy and Carl to do the presentation. Now how can we make it mandatory for all spouses to attend? Any ideas?

--modified by Delaine Inman at Wed, Oct 10, 2001, 08:29:49




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Re: Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl

Re : Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 10,2001,16:07 Top of Thread Archive
I told you I play a doctor on the internet and my cure for the common cold is an enema. That should cure him. Ann D.



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Re: Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl

Re : Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Virginia , Oct 10,2001,20:10 Top of Thread Archive
I'm not sure it's a good idea to let Carl know that he pampers me. I want him to think that is the normal way to take care of his wife. This could backfire if he finds out that other husbands don't do what he does. Shirley and I work hard to make sure Roy and Carl stick together and don't let others tell them they are babying us.

Virginia in AL, who actually does tell her hubby that she thinks he is extra-special.




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Re: Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl

Re : Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 11,2001,08:09 Top of Thread Archive
My favorite cookies are edible cookies. Ann Doyle mahli@mindspring.com



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Re: Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl

Re : Re: Cookies on the way! Presentation from Roy and Carl --- Ann Doyle
Posted by Dee in OR , Oct 11,2001,16:25 Top of Thread Archive
Ann,

CONGRATULATIONS, you ARE one of us!! An enema, now that sounds like it could cure just about anything!!! And edible cookies - yumm.

Dee in OR where all I want is a never ending supply of dark chocolate.




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Re: Advice for picking on Shirley?

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Ann Doyle
Posted by joyce whitt/NC (Joyce Whitt,joyce whitt/NC), Oct 10,2001,08:49 Top of Thread Archive
Ann - You go girl!! Men are not good patients maybe that is why God has allowed this disease mostly in women. We might be the weaker sex but we are really STRONG. yes, we cry, but tears are a release for our souls. Men are macho they don't cry (PLEASE MEN DON'T TAKE OFFENSE AT WHAT I AM SAYING BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE BEB YOU ARE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER MEN - YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS TO LIVE WITH THIS DISORDER.)

As far as picking on Shirley, she can take it, besides it makes her feel wanted and loved.

We all have our bad days and I am glad that we can bring these bad days to the BEB and before we know it, it has turned into a good day because of all the encouragement we get. I don't think I have ever seen anyone come to the board with a problem and be ridiculed for it.

There is no better exercise for strengthening the heart than reaching down and lifting up another. We have a lot of strong hearts on this BB board.

Joyce in NC where we have another crisp fall day. Wish I could get out in that beautiful sunshine. Maybe I can do what Delaine does, put on a large hat, sunglasses. I want to plant some flowers too but this cast keeps me from doing it.





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Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Alan Phair , Oct 11,2001,16:03 Top of Thread Archive
Shirley, actually I am beginning to feel neglected. You have been very good lately and have not picked on me much at all. Gee, I miss it. Actually when one realizes that we do most of these things in fun to brighten up peoples spirits, the getting picked on lifts up one spirits. AS the old saying goes, if you pick on me, you are leaving someother poor soul alone. Who knows, maybe that other poor sole couldn't handle it.

Anyway, sorry that i have been not on the board too often. Still very busy despite the eye situation whihc is really lousy. Actually, the Meige is the worst with my chin and neck locking up continually. It makes it tough to even talk at times. I think that I mentioned that I am the Grank Knight at our local Knights of Columbus Council. Well we had a meeting last evening and boy was it a struggle to get through. Fortunately, everyone knows my condition and helps me out when I need it. I just love doing things for Charity or the Church and I only wish that I were healthy enough to do more.

Anyway, I am long winded as usual so if you want to pick on me for that, go ahead. I will just make my next message even longer....Alan




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I'm not Shirley

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Alan Phair
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 11,2001,18:33 Top of Thread Archive
Alan we have missed you, we talk about you and miss Shirley picking on you. You have had such a bad run of luck maybe she decided to let up a bit, but to tell the truth she has been having a rough time and wasn't up to picking on anyone and we've been pretty bored with you gone and her down. Some have tried to get her back in the spirit of the old Shirley by picking on poor Roy's underwear and now her sons' laundry. We even discussed a calendar of Roy in his undies and BEB Babes with no clothes and had an array of props to cover ourselves so it would be decent enough for a fund raiser....We've really scraped the barrel at times. No one has reported anything as amusing as walking into the pool fully clothed or the lily pond with their good shoes on. It was hard to laugh about you falling off the ladder or your kidney stones. So you obviously have to give her better material to work with if you really want to be picked on in the future. I can picture you as a Grand Knight in Shining Armor as well as Santa Claus. Sorry the Meige is causing you so much trouble.



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Re : I'm not Shirley --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Alan Phair , Oct 12,2001,09:20 Top of Thread Archive
Delaine, I know that Shirley has been having a tough time of it. Even though she did pick on me, we occasionally communicated with each other via EMail. She is a really nice person and I missed not being able to get out to Arizona and see all of you at the conference this year. Funny that you mentioned Santa Claus as I just started getting all the calls to schedule Santa. I have five so far to play and even though the eyes are bad, I am sure that the good Lord will let me make it through it. As you know, I had to get someone to take my place because I broke my heel and had the Kidney problems but I am raring to go this year.

I don't have any more funny things happen recently but I did have one incident that caused some discussion in my household. If you remember, I mentioned that I had a cousin (a former priest) who visited with me from Japan. My Mother had invited him to stay in my house. She said I had plenty of room which we did. Anyway, we had a real nice time and it was a pleasure having such a gentlement with us (he is 73). Anyway, I finally got him back to Japan where he has lived for over fifty years despite the Sep 11 delays. I got my phone bill the other day and would you believe that I had over $400 dollars in phone calls to Japan. One time he called his wife and spoke for over an hour. I thought that was sweet exceptthat I did not think it was at my expense. It has been a topic of discussion but my wife says we can afford it so why even bring it up to him. Oh well.....Talk to you soon...Alan




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Re: I'm not Shirley

Re : Re: I'm not Shirley --- Alan Phair
Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 12,2001,09:53 Top of Thread Archive
Years ago in the 50's it was $4 a minute to call from Japan and $5 a minute to call from the states because the taxes were higher. My husband to be would call me and I would cry the whole time and he would say;'Honey don't cry' and I would cry and the conversation would repeat itself for 20 minutes. Then we would say goodbye, I love you. Sniff Sniff. Ann Doyle If I had known Shirley, I could have charged it to her. Right? Ann



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Re: Advice for picking on Shirley?

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Alan Phair
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 12,2001,19:55 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Alan,
How can I pick on you when you stay gone for extended periods of time? It would all be for naught(is that the right word, Virginia?). I assumed that you had fallen into a ditch somewhere and couldn't get up. I'm glad that you are back-now stay here where you belong. Just because you skipped out on the conference this year(even though you had a really good excuse) doesn't mean that you can skip out on the bb also. We need all that testosterone on this board. You are way out numbered on this bb and we need you.
Poor Virginia has been catching most of my teasing and you can see (if you've been lurking) that we have resorted to the lowest of possible threads of humor. Some of these topics are not at all what Judy had in mind when she started this bb for us.

Have you purchased the conference audio tapes yet? Don't even tell me no.

I'm glad that you are back. Virginia needs a break--although I haven't been quite up to form lately so she has had a little reprieve. Just trying to get by. The ole apraxia is just going to be a problem. Now, please don't leave us again for extended periods. I get paranoid and think that I have chased you off with all my teasing.

Oh, try to keep your posts a little shorter. Those long ones are really hard on the eyes. :-)

Shirley in AR. who really loves Alan as he is SANTA--There is a Santa Claus.




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Re: Advice for picking on Shirley?

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Alan Phair , Oct 13,2001,07:35 Top of Thread Archive
Oh you are so sweet. Did I really say that? You may not have picked on me but if you see my post a few minutes ago to Sally, it all comes together. You were the one who jinxed me yesterday. I was doing well with no accidents until now. It's a good thing that I have my wits about me as some of you gals (ladies) will drive me crazy with the topics and pity parties you all get involved with. As for me ever being able to say something without it being too long, I doubt I could do it.

By the way, (here I go again) can you believe that Medicare all of a sudden decided that they were no longer going to pay for my Botox injections. All these years when the darn things never worked, they paid for them and now that the first time that they worked,(my last set), they say they are not necessary. You figure. The worse part is that at the end of this month, my cobra coverage from work ends and I am solely on Medicare and whatever Medigap policy I get on. Sometimes I think they do these things just to aggrivate me. I am persistant though so I usually win out but it is such a waste of the governments time.

By the way did you see where Botulinum Toxin was the number two Bio terrorism Drug. Gee I hope I don't get mugged walking from the drug store to the Dr's office next week.

Oh well, not so brief so I have to run.....Alan




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Re: Advice for picking on Shirley?

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Alan Phair
Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 13,2001,10:27 Top of Thread Archive
Alan, Medicare is still paying for my botox in TN. How can they decide it's OK in one state and not another? They also pay for it in KY,. Isn't Medicare a national organization? Ann D.



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Re: Advice for picking on Shirley?

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Alan Phair
Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 13,2001,10:49 Top of Thread Archive
I find that chewing gum helps with the Meige but unfortunately it also makes me bit the inside of my cheek. Some trade off. Ann D.



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Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Alan Phair
Posted by Ann Doyle , Oct 13,2001,13:37 Top of Thread Archive

Shirley, did I tell you my very best saying about self=pity?

Self pity is like a wet diaper. It feels nice and warm at first but after awhile it starts to stink. Ann D.

Does this get me in the inner circle of how to tease Shirley? Have I made it or did I go too far. Should I say you have green teeth. :->




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Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Ann Doyle
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 13,2001,14:58 Top of Thread Archive
Your doing fine Ann. I like your self pity quote and that is exactly why I try not to feel too sorry for myself for extended periods of time. The green teeth thing is going to far. :-)
Don't try too hard to figure out how to tease me just let it happen naturally. I set myself up for it all the time.

Shirley in AR. who sees her dental hygienist twice a year. I hate those bright lights that they light up your mouth with.




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Re: Dentist Lights

Re : Re: Advice for picking on Shirley? --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by June in Toronto (June Floyd,June in Toronto), Oct 13,2001,17:35 Top of Thread Archive
Shirley, wear your eye blinds at the dentist (tell him/her to verbalise what they are going to do at each step) - I do and it sure helps.
Glad to note you `seem' to be feeling a bit better these days.

June in Toronto




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Re: Dentist Lights and Parsitan

Re : Re: Dentist Lights --- June in Toronto
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 14,2001,09:58 Top of Thread Archive
Hi June,
That's a good idea. I usually just close my eyes. I don't know if I trust them enough to wear a mask. :-) If I have to have anything major done, I'll certainly keep that in mind and take it along. They know about my problem and always ask about my BEB and how I'm doing and usually have questions about it. I always take along my little cards as they have a large staff and there is always someone new there that I can give one to.

I am feeling better. Hope that it lasts. I've started taking Parsitan that has to be obtained from Canada. They don't make it here in the US anymore as it wasn't a big money maker for the company that produced it. Mindy has had good luck with it. It is in the anticholinergic family like Artane and Scopolamine and Benadryl. I've been taking it since Oct 5th. Just a little over a week. I'm still at a very low dose but I do believe that it is helping. I don't want to jinx anything or get my hopes up too high but I can tell when it wears off and I shut down and then I take another tiny dose and things get better again within an hour. Seems to help with the apraxia and to reduce the squeezing. I'm 10 weeks post botox and don't really feel like it at this point.

I'll keep everybody posted about it. I doubt that my insurance will pay for it since I obtained it from Canada, though. No offense to your country-the insurance will just find any reason not to pay for it.

Shirley in AR.



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Re: Dentist Lights and Parsitan

Re : Re: Dentist Lights and Parsitan --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Oct 14,2001,19:19 Top of Thread Archive
Shirley, I want to ask my doctor about parsitan on Thursday. Just exactly what is it supposed to help? So far, I take no meds for bleph, just the Botox.

Sally in North Idaho




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Re: Parsitan

Re : Re: Dentist Lights and Parsitan --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 14,2001,19:56 Top of Thread Archive

Sally,
It works like the other anti-cholinergic drugs do like Artane and the Scopolamine Patch (do they make that anymore?) and Benadryl. It is classified as an Antidyskinetic drug. I have noticed that my squeezing is relieved and my eyes will open. Today was not a good day for me, though The weather may have something to do with it. I'm doing better now, than earlier today.
Your doctor may or may not be aware of Parsitan as they don't make it here in the US anymore. When they did, it was called Parsidol and was primarily used as an anti-seizure drug or for relief of Parkinson's symptoms. The cost for 100 50mg tablets was $38 with $15 for shipping it. I don't know if insurance will cover it. It took me two weeks to get it after my doctor's office called it in. The generic name is Ethopropazine. It was mentioned at the 2000 conference and that some people were having luck with it relieving their symptoms.
I decided to try it when I could no longer take the Adderall. I'll try to post the link to WebMD where there is some information about it.

Shirley in AR. (BEB-Apraxia)

http://my.webmd.com/content/asset/uspdi.202057

#3 is Parsidol under this link

--modified by Shirley-Arkansas-USA at Sun, Oct 14, 2001, 19:59:12




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Re: Compassionate Friends

Re : Compassionate Friends --- Ann Doyle
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 09,2001,20:29 Top of Thread Archive
We really try to let Shirley think she is the "star" at picking on people and we just kind of sneak in there and pick on her just to keep her in practice picking on us. If she doesn't post for a day, every body sends out a search party, because she is such a necessary part of the fun and education of everyone. We actually miss everyone when they don't post very often and we keep trying to make more room for anyone who wants to join our special group...we think everyone has something special to contribute.



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Re : Compassionate Friends --- Ann Doyle
Posted by Dee in OR , Oct 09,2001,22:55 Top of Thread Archive
Ann,

It comes natural - just like the blink reflex! So sit back, relax, put your feet up and then wait for Shirley! And whatever you do, DISAGREE with her and then see what happens!

Dee in OR where Mischief is my middle name!




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Dee,Sally,Shirley,Virginia,Judy,Ann,Alan, Joyce & everyone

Re : Re: Compassionate Friends --- Dee in OR
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 10,2001,08:16 Top of Thread Archive
OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH My Dee! Aren't you sounding on top of your game and a little fiesty....hanging around cute pups does that to you I suppose. When you posted about the current crisis and depression, I meant to post thank you and Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen......it makes Sally and several others get the song stuck in their head for days and they hate that. See we all have our little picky sneaky sides, but we still never quite top Shirley. She's the Queen especially if you get her stirred up. Well Virginia and Judy, I'm going outside to make another flower bed. Rusty says someone has to really love flowers to dig in this hard clay soil.....He is right, that's why God sent me! The neighbors come out and tell me how great my flowers look and how much they enjoy them. My eyes feel great while I'm doing it....I just do better outdoors. I look like the unibomber with my hat pulled down to the top of my dark glasses, but I don't care. I make beautiful flowers. My roses aren't as pretty as Judy's this year and I can't make pretty pictures of them even if the blooms are beautiful. I don't have a lily pond or pool to step into like Alan and if I ever break anything I will not be crawling up the stairs the way Alan and Joyce did to post on the BB(they are my heroes). So Ann do you really play a vet on TV or was that just a joke? I'm a redneck and sometimes it's hard for me to tell.



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Re: Landscape in clay soil

Re : Dee,Sally,Shirley,Virginia,Judy,Ann,Alan, Joyce & everyone --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Oct 10,2001,17:11 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Delaine,

If you ever run out of your own hard, clay soil to dig in, I'd love to have you come tackle mine and make it beautiful. You make something simple and permanent that I wouldn't have to do too much tending to keep it going.

I could also use some new redneck jokes. Since Joanne Johnson left us, I never receive any. Just have to keep re-reading the same old ones. But they are still funny.

Sally in North Idaho who will be waiting for a beautiful landscape created by Delaine.




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Re: Landscape in clay soil/sally

Re : Re: Landscape in clay soil --- Sally - in - Idaho
Posted by kathy , Oct 11,2001,09:22 Top of Thread Archive
i just asked phil for some and he became very offended, "you're asking me for these?!". i guess he has to be in the right mood to tell his limited repertoire .



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Re: digging in the dirt

Re : Dee,Sally,Shirley,Virginia,Judy,Ann,Alan, Joyce & everyone --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Virginia , Oct 10,2001,20:00 Top of Thread Archive
There's something really satisfying about turning that nasty clay dirt into friable soil that will grow beautiful plants. I can relate. It's also fun when the walkers stop to tell you how much they enjoy seeing your yard - even people you don't know. I'd rather be outside any day (except those windy ones we've had lately) than cooped up inside. The sun does a number on my eyes, too, but I just try to find places in the shade or where I can turn my back to the sun and work away. I do take pictures of mine - it's fun to take before and after pictures of new beds and to go back through the years and see how things have grown and changed.

Virginia in AL, starting to get pansy fever.




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Re: digging in the dirt/virginia

Re : Re: digging in the dirt --- Virginia
Posted by kathy , Oct 11,2001,09:34 Top of Thread Archive
don't you have to incorporate alot of humus in the clay to lighten it's texture and areate it? it becomes too impacted when you water it and smothers the plant roots.



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Re: digging/planting in clay

Re : Re: digging in the dirt/virginia --- kathy
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 11,2001,13:33 Top of Thread Archive
Yes to all questions, but first you have to DIG the clay out of the ground to make the flower beds and it is like chipping away at rock or concrete. I have learned to dig down about 6 or 8 inches and then build raised beds, 'cause I just can't get any deeper without dynamite. That works out pretty good. We have crab grass here too and getting rid of it is very hard...so is digging it up, which has to be done to make flower beds. The part I hate about the process is hauling the crab grass and dirt out of the yard in a small wagon. (I have a large one, but clay and crab grass are very heavy and I can only do small loads and numerous trips down to the bottom of our lot.) It is great exercise, but very hard work. It does pay off. I do make before and after pictures and what we have done to the yard in 2 years is amazing, satisfying and beautiful! I've got a 100 daffodils to plant at the end of the month. My mums are blooming now and a few roses and begonias haven't given up yet. But the greatest miracle is that while I'm doing all the hard work and playing in my flower beds my eyes do much better than when I am in the house.



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Re: digging/planting in clay

Re : Re: digging/planting in clay --- Delaine Inman
Posted by kathy , Oct 11,2001,13:38 Top of Thread Archive
yes. that is great!! you don't have any allergies to the outside then?



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Re: digging/planting in clay

Re : Re: digging/planting in clay --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Sally - in - Idaho , Oct 11,2001,15:35 Top of Thread Archive
Delaine, you have truly "bloomed where you were planted" in a beautiful way. Would that we could each do as well in our own individual fashion.
You just might become our second Master Gardener of the BB!

Someday, I will get on my cyper plane and fly over your lovely yard.

Sally in North Idaho




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Gardening

Re : Dee,Sally,Shirley,Virginia,Judy,Ann,Alan, Joyce & everyone --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Alan Phair , Oct 12,2001,16:39 Top of Thread Archive
You and I seem so alike that it amazes me. I even remember talking with you at the conference in Kentucky and saying the same thing to myself. I spent most of the day today in the yard planting mums and digging up all my Dahlia and Canna tubers. We had a bad killer frost a few nights ago (27 degrees) and my beautiful annuals kicked the bucket. Fortunately, my roses survived and are still flowering beautifully. I have two sections of my yard that each have about twenty bushes and they are just beautiful most of the summer. I have one stand in front of our screen porch that emit such a beautiful fragrance. The mums are pretty but I planted a little over 100 of them and thye don't last a long time obviously because winter is coming. They do come back next year but I usually dig them out because they are in the way of where I want to replant my dahlias and cannas. Isn't life difficult. Anyway, gardening is one of the things that keeps me sane and I go out in the yard even though the eyes are closed at times (hence the falling into the pool and fish pond).....Alan



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Re: Gardening

Re : Gardening --- Alan Phair
Posted by Joanne Matuzas , Oct 12,2001,17:37 Top of Thread Archive
Gee, all you folks with your wonderful gardening capabilities. Once I
am retired, I plan to spend a bit more time in the yard. I have much
to learn so I have only recently decided I enjoy digging in the dirt but
much of it is guesswork--you know, like easy evergreens...:<) I do have
some hydrangeas in my front yard with north light so I will trim those
soon. Virginia and a few others spoke about hydrangeas a while ago and how to care for them. My roses in the backyard look bad. They are diseased and moldy, etc. Seems I either spray them too much or not enough. They look ok after they've been cut back in Jan. and then we have our rainy season for a month or two and that's it. We only get rain in SD in the winter months and not much at that. So, guess I will have to do some reading in the gardening books but I know where my help source is now. :<) Have a nice weekend, everyone. Joanne M. San Diego, CA




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Re: Gardening

Re : Gardening --- Alan Phair
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 12,2001,20:11 Top of Thread Archive
Does it count for gardening if you have a cherry tomato plant come up voluntarily from your compost pile? I have watered it a few times. Actually, it has taken over my compost heap and I have to fight off the little tomatoes to even get to it. :-)
I'll have dandelions next spring!

I think that I need Delaine and Alan and Virginia to come work in my yard. Sally can come sit with me and the dogs and Kathy can tell us about the artistic colors that they are using. Roy and Carl can keep Alan away from the creek in the very back. Or I could just see if my collie's herding instincts were intact. Alan would probably want to go back there and catch minnows and crawdads. James would come home and look at all of us and say "Dear God" again and leave. (after he got his boxers washed, of course).

Shirley in AR.




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Re : Re: Gardening --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 12,2001,22:32 Top of Thread Archive
Thought I would check the BB before going to bed and after reading Shirley's post I am laughing so hard I may never sleep again. I can barely type I am having a big belly laugh like Santa Claus. Gosh and to think Santa and I are so much alike it warms my cockles. Shirley you are so funny....I could just see the whole thing unfolding. You need to work for some comedy show or comedian you are so funny. You are warped..nuts...imaginative...crazy and I sure needed a good laugh. My eyes were so bad coming up the steps and I'm sick of hearing about anthrax and terrorist and a zillion packages/envelops turning up everywhere. I really needed one of those out of body experiences from one of those "laughing out loud with your whole body til you cry moments". Thanks. At least you do compost...but didn't you know those tomotoe seeds grow up to be cherry tomatoes and potato peelings...don't go there... you'll have them growning in the bottom of the compost bin....guess how I know these things? And Alan, I just cut my mums to the ground, cover with mulch and keep them cut back about 4 inches until after July 4th so they are not in the way and then they bloom after I cut my other perennials back. I planted 4 pots of cannas last fall when they went on sale and I thought they were all dead from the freezes we had, but one pot came up very late and bloomed the last of Sept. and it's still blooming. It has pale green leaves almost varigated in color and yellow blooms. I may move them and plant them deeper. I don't have a good place to store bulbs if I dig them up so I stick to daffodils and iris of all colors.

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Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 12,2001,23:16 Top of Thread Archive
Delaine,
Now, you have cracked me up. Kindred spirits here. Yes, I have placed (thrown) not only potato peelings but whole potatoes that were starting to grow under my sink (well, I didn't feel like cooking them.) and I was wondering if they might surface again at some point. They may not be getting enough light due to the cherry tomato vine that is everywhere. Goodness, maybe if I trimmed that back, my potatoes would take off and next spring when I pulled that vine up......what a surprise.
This may sound strange but I've never quite felt so good about "doing compost". I've often wonderd why I even "do it". I don't use it for anything.....just keep adding to it and watching what comes up. It's always a surprise. It is a really nice compost pile and I am quite proud of it (if one can be proud of a compost pile) That may be the only place that I can grow things. Oh, Roy says not to forget that I can grow mold in the shower. He can be so cruel. :-0

Shirley in AR. who decided not to watch CNN tonight.




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nothing to do with BEB/ potato vines

Re : Re: Gardening --- Shirley-Arkansas-USA
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 13,2001,09:50 Top of Thread Archive
I had a sweet potato sprout and I put it in water and this beautiful heart shape leafed vine emerged. I planted it in dirt and hung it in my sun room and it started growing like Kudzu and got so scary klinging and growing to things that I finally threw it away because I began to have visions of it wrapping me up and I couldn't escape. Try that in your compost pile....sounds like you might not have actually bins. We have 4 bins. How far in the country do you live and how much land do you have? Our lot is 1 acre and the shape of a pie slice. It tapers in the back into the woods down hill, so my yard is really odd shape.



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Re : nothing to do with BEB/ potato vines --- Delaine Inman
Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Oct 13,2001,11:35 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Delaine,
We live in a suburban area and have a large lot (about 1/2 acre). Our lot backs up to a creek and "greenbelt" area, hence a little more privacy and openness than a lot of folks have. I would love to live out in the country, though.
I also did the sweet potato thing for my kids in the house and then we planted it outside. It took over a large area. That fall, we saw that our dog (a sheltie) was pulling the vine all around the back yard and playing with it and seemed to be eating parts of it. He had pulled up a bunch of sweet potatoes. He had managed to destroy or eat most of them but it was really funny. He was so pleased with himself.
Our compost bin is framed with 2x4's and metal fencing posts driven into the ground and then has a small mesh fencing material around it. It is about 3 ft wide by 5 ft long and about 4 1/2 ft tall with concrete blocks around the base that can be removed and compost taken out or rotated back to the top. Nice design by hubby with me telling him what size I wanted.

We have raised beds in the backyard that I used to garden in but haven't been able to the last couple of years.

Shirley




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Posted by Alan Phair , Oct 13,2001,10:50 Top of Thread Archive
Okay Delaine, now it is getting scary about our similarities. I just planted about two hundred iris, daffodil and lily bulbs in the section of yard that I just redesigned. I had a 104 foot wall built and put a bridge over a dry rock bed. I put in about fifty perennials that I dug up from other parts of the yard. I also put in a drip system so I wouldn't have to water it when I am away. It really came out nice . I will send you some pictures when I get them. By the way, thanks for sending the pictures to me. Your yard looks great. Is that a vinyl fence you put in. It looks like it as I have a similar one (why not). Also, is that your high top van in one of the pictures. I had a similar one several years ago and waa just wondering if it was just one more "twin" think....Alan



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Twins/oh Brother

Re : Re: Gardening --- Alan Phair
Posted by Delaine Inman , Oct 13,2001,15:15 Top of Thread Archive
This is one of those "coincidence....I think not... moments". I first started calling Shirley little sis because we had so many of those! So Hey Big Brother! I believe we are drawn to people we have things in common even when we don't know what those things are. I felt a connection with you and Shirley the second I met you two at the conference and the more I get to know folks on the board the more I see how many of us have had similar experiences, personalities and are so much alike. As far as Shirley, you and I..... well we are long winded, opinionated, funny, compassionate...well I won't go on. Well maybe I will. Anybody else relate to that? Many others who post on a regular basis will find we have common threads that stitch us together besides the BEB/Meige/Dystonia and we make a beautiful quilt as we patch ourselves into the fabric of life.
Yes, it is a vinyl fence; yes, that is my 1997 high top conversion van(it may have been yours) that helps me drive better. Now please don't tell me you write poetry too or this will just be too much! I would love to have a water garden with a water fall and fish and lily pads even if it meant I might step into it with my shoes on. I put down soaker hoses and cover them with straw and that helps with watering and keeping the weeds down in my flower beds. Also dogs and cats don't find that so appealing to scratch in, if you know what I mean? My dog is a sheltie, Shirley and I are nurses and yes Virginia, isn't the only one who believes in Santa Claus and loves beautiful flowers and long winded friends...many of you do. We're all related I think.



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