Re: 0 Botox


Posted by Shanasy in IL , Nov 04,2001,08:48   Archive
AGAIN, here is a wonderful opportunity for all of us to find out what "Lots" of botox out there are worthless. Ann can you call your drs office and ask what the Lot# was for the botox that didn't work and post it here? I really want to start a posting or somehow keep track of the lots that work and don't work. I don't even know how many lots we are talking about. I am going tyo call Allergan Monday (tomorrow) and ask them about Lot numbers and how many vials a lot contains. Then I am going to call my drs office and get the exact lot numbers for all my botox (I've had 4 the last of which made NO difference. Then I will start a "Lot" posting here. At the very least, I hope EVERYBODY who has had botox that didn't work will CALL THEIR DR OFFICE, get the lot # and post it here. We could find VERY interesting findings with this. Hopefully even the BB "lurkers" will post with their 0 Botox "Lot #s. If botox does not work, I for one, am not willing to "just go back and get more injections"!!!! This response makes me MAD AS H...HECK!!!!!!



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Re : Re: 0 Botox --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Ann Doyle , Nov 05,2001,06:11 Top of Thread Archive
SHANASY, I plan on writting before work this morning and again when I get home. I took all day to get an answer yeserday.. # machines with their own messages, 3 machines with questions to be answered amd 2 by actual kindergarden drop outs. Allegran said they would repeat any botox that didn't work after 2 weeks. I too and furioous, mad and angry. I feel like they took 3 monghts of my life. Wish me luck and add a few prayers. Ann D.

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Posted by Ann Doyle , Nov 06,2001,13:04 Top of Thread Archive
It was probably lot # C329. But they are not possitive. Ann D.

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Posted by Ann Doyle , Nov 06,2001,13:08 Top of Thread Archive
It was probably c329. Ann D.

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Re : Re: 0 Botox --- Shanasy in IL
Posted by Shanasy in IL , Nov 06,2001,14:10 Top of Thread Archive
Thanks Ann for posting your lot # (I am still trying to get mine). After talking to Allergan about vials and lot numbers, I think my idea would be like finding a needle in a haystack. I asked how many vials in a lot and they said it could be hundreds - of course going all over the country. I asked how many lots go out each day and he didn't know that either but it is in the high numbers. Bascially I didn't get any numbers out of him. Many things could affect it (as has already been said here on the board) such as vacuum, temp control, dilution, etc. A doctor could even use 2 vials on someone at the same time with different lot numbers. So to find lots that may be ineffective I would have to have a response of hundreds - don't think there are that many on this board. So I conclude that the best way to deal with this is to encourage our drs. to follow up on their patients 2 weeks after injections. Knowing how many thousands of vials there are out on the market, it would be too hard to track. I think we are at the mercy of Allergan. Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!

Shanasy (on vacation in Indpls.)




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Posted by Shirley-Arkansas-USA , Nov 06,2001,19:57 Top of Thread Archive
Hi Shanasy. I think that you are right about the needle in the haystack thing.
In my very own personal opinion (that may be disputed at any time) I believe that there may occasionally be batches of botox that for what ever reason are not up to par. Botox is very fragile and many things can go wrong with it. I believe that by far, more problems can occur with poor handling by physicians or their staff or just poor injection techniques. I personally have never had botox that did not "work". I might not have obtained a lot of relief from my symptoms but the botox itself was "working". If you get a ptosis or your upper lip droops or you can't smile, then you know that the botox is working on you (just not in the right places). I've always been able to tell that the botox was doing something whether it was the right something or not.
I'm not really sure how many docs keep a record of the lot numbers of the botox that they give. I would think that it would be the thing to do if they did have a group of patients that did not respond the way they normally do. I do think that it is an excellent idea for followup at two weeks. The doctors seem to do this the first time that you get botox but then never again. I think that a two week followup visit should be routine until sites and dosage is worked out.

I think that we are at the mercy of Allergan but I have found them to be helpful and informative when I have contacted them and I'm really, really glad that we at least have Botox. I don't even want to think about what my mental stability would be like without it.

Shirley in Arkansas who hopes that Shanasy is enjoying her vacation.




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Posted by Mindy , Nov 07,2001,13:59 Top of Thread Archive
If you can't raise you eyebrows, botox is working.
Mindy in NY



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Posted by Ann Doyle , Nov 08,2001,06:50 Top of Thread Archive
Sorry for last nights message. I was on a new drug that really knocked me out. I agree with what you said. Do I have it right this time.? Still sort of doopy. Ann D.

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