Re: newsletter, has anyone read it yet?
I need to re-read the article, Kathy, slowly and carefully (only scanned it first time). "Uncertain Role of Antidepressents in Blepharospasm" by J.A. Mauriello, Jr., M.D., Summit, New Jersey. Perhaps the Conclusions of the article say it all:"The physician must consider a drug-induced mechanism in all patients with beb. In addition, after withdrawal of medication, beb may not improve for months to years (in the case of neurolepetic induced tardive dyskinesia) after the medication is discontinued. Botox is the treatment of choice in drug-associated facial spasms that persist after cessation of the drug. In all cases before discontinuing any medications, the patient should discuss the benefits and risks of stopping the medication with the prescribing physician." June in Toronto (beb/meige)
--modified by June in Toronto at Thu, May 16, 2002, 11:53:37
Re: newsletter, has anyone read it yet?/june
Thanks, june. Everyone needs to read this page and we need additional comments on this. I would say by his article and many of us with beb that there is a CERTAIN correlation between these meds and BEB.
Re: newsletter, has anyone read it yet?/kathy
Kathy, I haven't received mine yet, it always comes late.
Re: newsletter, has anyone read it yet?/kathy
Mine usually does too. This one came early. People on this bb need to read it. Alot of these clinical trials testing drugs were initially done on men, according to Time magazine; it was only after they were tested on women that some of the bad side effects became apparent. Perhaps that is why BEB is so prevalent in older woman?? I wish Delaine would jump in here.
--modified by Kathy in Atlanta at Wed, May 22, 2002, 05:04:12
Re: newsletter, has anyone read it yet?
What also is a PET study and this new chemical denervation process??
Re: PET and chemical denervation
PET stands for positron emission tomography and is a complex technological tool that has given us clues to understanding how the brain functions. Dr. Perlmutter in St.Louis was doing a research project using PET. (I participated in it a couple of years ago) There are clinical clues that suggest an abnormality in the processing of sensory information with BEB. Dr. Perlmutter's studies suggested that there is a specific change in the funtion of part of the basal ganglia of the brain leading to dystonia, including blepharospasm.Chemodenervation is discussed in the January-February newsletter on page 7. A Tetanus-Diphtheria Hybrid Neurotoxin is being studied by Paul Fishman M.D.,Ph.D. in Maryland. Animal testing is being done with this toxin. It is a genetically engineered toxin designed to destroy motor neurons that drive abnormal muscle contractions, such as those which cause the involuntary lid closing of blepharospasm. Shirley in Arkansas
Re: PET and chemical denervation
thanks. Do we know of anyone having this treatment yet?
Re: PET and chemical denervation
I don't believe that anyone has had the chemical denervation that was mentioned above. It was going into the stage of animal testing when the article was written in the newsletter.Shirley
Re: PET and chemical denervation
Animal testing goes so against my inner beliefs that I'd almost as soon keep the diseases. It really makes me sad and hurts to think of what the poor innocent creatures go through due to us.Sally in North Idaho
Re:animal testing
It saddens me also, Sally. I worked for a pharmaceutical company as a sales rep many years ago and during part of my training, I toured a lab where they kept the animals that were used in some of the research and testing. I couldn't get out of there quick enough. I understand the need for it at a certain point in research but it doesn't make me feel any better about it. The sad truth is that it is necessary if new drugs and certain medical products and technologies are to be introduced. I wish that there was a way around it but so far, there doesn't seem to be. I wouldn't want the testing to be done on humans, either and I don't want to keep the diseases. I want science to keep moving forward. Maybe, hopefully, one day there will be no need for the animal testing.Shirley in Arkansas
Re: Re:animal testing/Chemical denervation
It's hard to think about also. What do they do? Induce beb in animals and then try and fix it?
Re: Re:animal testing/Chemical denervation
Good question! Yes they do try to reproduce it artificially. Considering they don't know what causes blepharospasm, makes one (a logical person anyway) wonder how they could possibly get accurate results (also considering they are testing it on an animal that does not even get it anyway)!!!!! Shanasy --modified by Shanasy in IL at Sun, May 26, 2002, 23:20:50
Re: Re:animal testing/Chemical denervation
Kathy, I'm not sure exactly what they do. You could find the article in the newsletter and email or write the person in charge of the study and ask them the specifics on the testing.According to my veterinarian, animals do sometimes have blepharospasm. I think someone else has commented on this before that had a relative that was a veterinarian. Shirley in Arkansas
Re: Re:animal testing/Chemical denervation/Shirley
Yes!! I remember this also, maybe about 2 years ago. I do not want to get into this too deeply. The question is, How do they get it? Naturally or drug induced?
Re: Re:animal testing/Chemical denervation/Shirley
AND if they do get it naturally, it could hardly be considered inhumane to fix the problem. Are there not certain similarities between lockjaw (tetanus) and oromandilar dystonia? and perhaps even the muscle spasms? If any dog endured as much pain as I have, he or she would want something done about it.
Re: Blepharospasm in animals
Kathy, my vet was just telling me that they do get it. He didn't go into specifics. He just said that he had seen it before in animals that he had treated on rare occasions and was aware of it. He was not talking about any animals that were used in research if that is what you are asking. He said that he didn't know what caused it and that he was not aware of a treatment for it. I did ask him about treatment for animals with it and he said as far as he knew that there was none.Shirley in Arkansas
Re: Re:animal testing
I can't help myself on this one! I gotta say this...I completely agree with Sally. Animal experimentation, to me, is morally and ethically reprehensible and appauling. Most people have NO clue of the physical/emotional torture that these animals go through - often without anesthesia - day in and day out ... however... as awful as all that is...too many people are misled regarding the FACTS about animal experimentation! Animal experimentation is ABSOLUTELY NOT neccesary for new drugs and medical products/procedures to be introduced. The day is ALREADY here (and has been all along) where animal testing is NOT NECESSARY. Animal experimentation is invalid science! For real medicine to work it must be based on scientific methods that are directly relevant to human health. Advances that can help medicine in its search for cures for human diseases include mathematical and computer models, in-vitro human cell, tissue, and organ cultures, and non-invasive imaging techniques, as well as autopsies and epidemiological studies of human populations. Of course, computers and test tubes don't have all the answers, only the study of the whole living system can provide the fundametnal answers which comes from CLINICAL research (the observation and treatment of human beings suffering from SPONTANEOUS human diseases). Also, it is a fact that every species of animal is a different biomechanical and biochemical entity with a very unique cellular makeup and structure. Animals are different not only from humans, but also from each other anatomically, physiologically, immunologically, genetically, and histologically (down to the basic cellular structure). The dog is different from the cat and the cat is different from the rat (etc. etc.) and they are all different from human beings. Testing drugs on animals first, DOES NOT prevent humans from being exposed to harmful medications. Animals react DIFFERENTLY to different drugs, not only from humans, but also from each other. Aspirin kills cats and penicillin kills guinea pigs. Yet the same guinea pigs can safely eat strychnine – one of the deadliest poisons for humans, but not for monkeys. Sheep can swallow enormous quantities of arsenic. The list is endless. Consequently, the FDA is forced to pull off the shelves thousands of drugs – drugs which had been found “safe” based on animal tests and approved for human consumption by the FDA itself – because of the serious health problems they cause in human beings. Human diseases cannot be recreated in animals – or in human beings for that matter – simply because, once a disease is “recreated,” it is artificial and is no longer the original, spontaneous disease that the body itself produced. For example, if you don’t have epilepsy, no one can give it to you, nor to a non-human animal. It may sometimes be possible to recreate some of the symptoms of a disease, such as seizures in the case of epilepsy, but never the actual disease itself. The exception to this is the case of infectious diseases. However, animals do not get human infectious diseases. In spite of massive efforts aimed at creating “an animal model of human AIDS,” researchers have never been able to infect a single non-human animal with human AIDS. Besides, a non-human animal CANNOT have a human disease because it is not human. Among other reasons, there are huge differences between the immune system of humans and that of other animals. Ever wonder why is it that one day we are told that a certain substance, like saccharin, is safe, later told that it causes cancer and then once again told that it is safe? The reason for all these conflicting reports is that the testing is based on animals. Animals react differently to different substances, and the results of the tests depend on which animal they choose to use (which usually depends on what answer the manufacturer is looking for). Something to think about!!! Shanasy
Re: Re:animal testing/Shanasy
Good! to hear from you again Shanasy. BUT do we know for sure about beb. If In fact stem cell research holds no promise for us. perhaps this animal testing is one of the only ways to try? Say they give anti-depressants to a dog or a pig( isn't the pig's genetic makeup more similar to that of humans??) and ARE able to fix it, isn't it better than no research done at all prior to the testing on humans. Humans are not animals, the problem is that many of them are treated like animals in certain very unfortunate situations. I think very conscienable research scientists are really the only ones who can answer this question. I'm glad you are posting on this, I was beginning to think I was too controversial or blunt. Sally, who said politics has no place on this board? I'm not particularly political, just trying to figure things out , like a lot of you on this bb.
Re: Re:animal testing
Do we know for sure about BEB? For decades, the public has been misled into believing that animal experiments are responsible for all kinds of "miracle cures" and "medical breakthroughs." But the truth is that animal experimentation has not cured a single human disease. The reason is simple: animal experimentation cannot produce any cures simply because it is based on a premise that is medically and scientifically false.The only way to find cures for human diseases is through clinical research, or the observation of human beings who have developed the disease in question spontaneously. Unfortunately, most people have been prevented from knowing the difference between experimental research and clinical research, which, is the biggest problem in connection with understanding the issue of animal experimentation. Animals are different from humans AND each other! Despite what animal researchers want us to think, one only needs a very elementary knoweldge of anatomy/physiology to see the vast array of differences between animals and humans. They don't eat like us, walk like us, think like us, etc., etc. and all these things make up and affect our psychological, anatomical, biological, and cellular systems. Yes there are similarities, but their differences will always far outweigh them. As long as we are experimenting on animals, this will only delay the cure for BEB from ever being found. Since you brought up pigs (which IS a common animal for research and so is a good question!) let me point out this: Although ANIMAL researchers want us all to believe that pigs are similar enough to us to do testing on, ask any histologist, anatomist, biologist, etc and they will tell you that pigs are NOT similar to humans! Their cellular structure is completely different than humans (AND different from other animals). Animal experimentation is BIG business. "It's all about money." - but that's another issue. Again, I am not saying we should experiment on people. I am against experimentation on animals AND people! This is far too dangerous! I want to promote responsible research - studying those who have it! Remember the questionnaires we all received awhile back? I thought those were invaluable! That's the way to get answers - not by trying to artifically reproduce it in an animal which is celluarly different from us. Many people know better than to take a drug that is fresh off the market. Many will wait awhile before taking it. Why? Because side effects and drug effectiveness in humans are not known until humans have taken the drug themselves. What does that say? Even though a drug has been tested on an animal, you still don't know how it will react on a human until it is tested on a human. So somehow the pharmaceutical industry dupes us into thinking there is no human testing, yet everyone who first tries the drug is a "human ginea pig." And this is WRONG! Although I understand about this issue being controversial, I cannot help myself but to try to reinform people of the real truth. I feel this issue should NOT be banned from discussion and is vitally important to discuss and be open about. I feel that as long as researchers are studying animals for BEB, there will never be any accurate test results and thus no cure. The cure is in CLINICAL research - sutdying those of us who have it. Wouldn't you trust information that came from a group of BEB sufferers (such as that of the questionnaires we all received awhile back) rather than a group of pigs (or guinea pigs, rats, dogs, etc.). Thanks Kathy so much for asking these questions and keeping this subject up front. Since we all want a cure more than anything, I can't think of anything more important that feeling free to discuss the ways that a cure can come about! Whether we donate our money to animal research OR clinical research for a BEB cure, will make a big difference in how soon a cure can be found. In respect of ALL life,
Shanasy
Re: Re:animal testing
Very well stated, Shanasy. My feelings exactly. I really don't think research on animals does much to help cure anything.I have been asked to enter a research program on a new diabetic medicine. It is an injection twice daily, not insulin but something new. I am to go on Thursday for complete exam, lab tests and evaluation. Two-thirds will receive the real thing, one-third will be given a placebo. It will last until the end of the year. Not too sure I should do this, but my endocrinologist thinks it's a great idea. Any comments? I already take two different medications by mouth for it. Sally in North Idaho
Re: Re:animal testing/Sally
Sally , i don't have diabetes but It is definitely something to take care of . Be sure you know or are informed of any unexpected side effects in advance! You won't know if you are one of the ones to receive a placebo? Diabetes is also something NOT in your mind. What about this new insulin that you inhale? Have you or your doctor checked that out yet?
I do have hypoglycemia. SO far , I am still using the 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon on my peanut butter english muffin most mornings. It's supposed to help your body utilize your natural insulin better. I think it's helping! I can go longer between meals and don't seem to get as hungry.
Re: Re:animal testing/Sally
Kathy, I have never heard of the cinnamon/peanut butter/English muffin thing but am going to try it and see if it lessens my hunger pangs. Can't hurt and might taste good!Just had a reminder call for my research evaluation tomorrow. Since it has been approved to be closely monitored by my own endocrinologist, I'm hoping he won't send me down the wrong pathway. I don't have to sign final agreement today, just listen and have exam. Will do that much and then decide. Sally in North Idaho where it is cool and looks like showers might come.
Re: testing/Sally/Kathy
Sally, what was your final decision about doing the experimental test? If you decided to do it, when do you start?Since Sally has diabetes and Kathy, you mentioned hypoglycemia, are either of you familiar with STEVIA? If not, you might find learning about it REAL interesting if you have sweet tooths like most of us. Shanasy
Re: testing/Sally/Kathy
Hi Shanasy,I just made my final decision tonight, after a visit with my PCP this afternoon. He has been pretty good at keeping me going for the past ten years and is easy to talk with. He pinned me down to reasons: do I want to help humanity? do I want free care? do I just like a challenge and something different? I guess that for myself, the main object had been free care, although I certainly wouldn't object to being a tool for the betterment of others' health. The free care would involve frequent trips to Spokane, at which time I would be carefully monitored and tested at the lab to make sure all was going okay. This study would not end until January, which would give me the possibility of three months of bad weather to plan around. There were a lot of pros and cons for me, the biggest pro being that I thought I might try harder to be in better control if I knew that I were accountable right away to someone. However, the thought of giving myself two injections daily did not thrill me. Bottom line: I am 98% sure that when the research department calls me again, my answer will be, "No thank you." I am not familiar with STEVIA. What is it? How are you doing with your various trials of supplements, etc.? Thanks for your concern. Keep in touch. Sally in North Idaho
Re: testing/Sally/Kathy
Sally,I am glad you have "probably" decided NOT to do the test. As kind as you are to want to "help humanity" - you would probably be just benefiting the pharmaceutical company. More often than not, new drugs that are being tested, are not new because they are necessarily more effective that what's already out on the market, but they are simply a matter of something new the drug comapny can make money on (to compete with) and they are often as effective or less effective that what's already out there. I think it was last week when ABC did a special called "Bitter Medicine" specfically about this issue. If you had watched it, it probably would have made up your mind right then and there. Stevia is wonderfully delicious all-natural sweetener that is 200-300 times sweeter than sugar. It has no calories, is COMPLETELY safe (unlike the chemical sweeteners like saccharin, aspartame, etc.). The best part is that it does NOT affect the insulin level so it is perfect for diabetics and hypoglycemics and all others who have sweet tooths. Even though it's been around for hundreds of years, it is not well known. As for your 3rd question - no progress yet for me . . . but it's coming!!!!!! (I just don't know when) Shanasy
Re: testing/Sally/Kathy
I saw something on the news a couple of days ago mentioning that the injectionables" did not stave off diabetes, and I thought of you and maybe this was the testing you were considering.
Re: STEVIA/Shanasy
I'm familiar with Stevia, Shanasy, but not how to cook with it - haven't been able to come up with anything on the net either. There are supposed to be a couple of Stevia cookbooks out there, but I can't find them - one is definitely out of print (I don't want to buy one, just check it out). Maybe in the U.S.A. you already have `bulk' Stevia for cooking - but its still to come here in Canada (as I understand it). I need to know how to covert 1/4 cup of sugar to Stevia - and perhaps make up the bulk of the 1/4 cup with...what? Any ideas?June in Toronto who knows Stevia is a plant form and not arsenic (like other artificial sweeteners can be).
Re: STEVIA/Shanasy
Hi Friends, I just typed the word Stevia in my address bar and clicked go and came up with all kind of stuff about Stevia, it seems to be an Herb, can be used as a sweetner. Amazon . com has a cook book for sale that uses it. Hope this helps, up to this time I had not heard of it.Edith
Re: STEVIA/Shanasy
I just bought a Stevia cookbook. Converting from sugar to setiva is difficult. Many factors to consider: type of food (sour things would require more, personal preferences for sweetness, stevia itself varies in flavor, & sweetness, etc.However - here's what has been suggested. Sugar 1 cup / stevia powder 1 teaspoon
Sugar 1 tablespoon / Stevia powder 1/4 tsp.
sugar 1 tsp. / Stevia powder a pinch to 1/16 tsp. I love iced tea and I put 1/4 tsp. Stevia in it and it is almost too sweet. If you like chocolate pudding - I have a killer recipe for using Stevia with no dairy in it. If there's anything else, I can check my cookbook for you. By the way, Evelyn's suggestion, I thought was brilliant! Shanasy - trying so hard to heal my body
Re: STEVIA/Shanasy
Maybe , when I'm settled and can find stevia, i will ask for your chocolate pudding recipe. I used to have childhood dreams of being caught in a pool of chocalate pudding and having to eat my way out of it! it was great! I was a skinny child ,but must have really liked chocolate pudding.
Re: STEVIA/Shanasy
Oh...I forgot...I don't have any ideas as to how to make up the bulk. My cookbook uses glycerine (from the health food store) as a thickener - but this is unrelated to what you are asking I think.Shanasy
Re: Stevia
I don't have a cookbook telling how much Stevia to substitue for sugar, but when I bake with it, I use the same amount as I would use for any other artifical sweetener.
Evelyn
Re: Stevia
That's a great idea Evelyn!
Re: Stevia/Artificial sweeteners
I've never cooked with ANY artificial sweeteners, so don't know about this. I'll just have to find a cookbook somewhere. I doubt that I can just take my `normal' recipes and use an amount of sweetener instead of sugar - but what about the rest of the bulk? i.e., if the recipe says to use 1/2 cup of sugar, and I use 1/8 cup of sweetener, what do I substitute for the other 7/8 cup of bulk - can the recipe just do without it? I would prefer to use Stevia - use it in my drinks at the moment and its fine. Thanks to one and all for any info.June in Toronto
Re: Stevia/June
I believe that using 1/8 of a cup in any recipe would be wayyyy tooo much (unless you're feeding an army)!! Accoridng to my Stevia cookbook, if a recipe calls for 1/2 cup sugar - then use 1/2 teaspoon of Stevia.One disadvantage is that when you bake with Stevia your food won't brown. I would recommend you buy a book and try its recipes before trying your own. I have "The Stevia Cookbook" by Ray Sahelian, MD - and I think it is very compelte. I havent' tried any recipes yet because I just got it a week ago or so. As for the "bulk" question - I guess it would just be a matter of experimentation. I wouldn't think you would miss the bulk, but I don't know for sure. Good luck and let me know if you try any recipes that you really like! Shanasy
Re: Stevia/Shanasy and Evelyn
The 1/8'th cup was just hypothetical! I've tried to get a Stevia cookbook but no luck so far.Evelyn I'm so sorry about your fall and possible stroke - how awful for you. Please do take care of yourself. My prayers are with you. June in Toronto
Re: Stevia/Shanasy and Evelyn
Thank you, June. I am doing what I can to feel better. I'm hoping to spend some more time in the fresh air today, if it warms up enough.
Evelyn
Re: Stevia/June
Shanasy, is it like "Splenda," which is also new? I was given a sample box of it, but have not used any.Sally in North Idaho where we only had a little bit of rain today, and it looks like tomorrow will be nice.
Re: Stevia/June
I'm not familiar with Splenda. What is it made from?Shanasy
Re: SPLENDA
Splenda is an artificial low-cal sweetener containing Maltodextrn/Maltodextrine, sucralose. I believe in Canada it is endorsed by the Diabetic Society. I would prefer to use Stevia as its a natural source and not full of chemicals. I tried again today (that's about 4 times now) to see and perhaps buy a Stevia cookbook) - still no luck. I've tried really good natural healthfood stores and large bookstores - I could order one but would prefer to look at it first.
Stevia for baking seems to come in liquid form here - I purchased some and `will give it try' one of these days.June in Toronto who has bruised eyelids from botox injections and now brusied arms from low-blood pressure blood tests. I look like I've been in a fight!
Re: Stevia/Artificial sweeteners
I don't think the bulk matters. I think Shanasy has the right idea...purchase a cookbook and experiment.
I haven't been feeling very well. I fell a couple of weeks ago. I didn't realize I was falling till I was about halfway down. From what I can tell at this point, I think I had another little stroke. It's much harder for me to walk...my balance is worse and so is my limp. I drool sometimes and my hearing and vision aren't as good. It's also been harder to think.
I recently saw a doctor and things seemed to be going well. I will be going for another appt. with a different doctor soon.
Evelyn in WA, where it's finally sunny and getting warmer.
Re: Stevia/Artificial sweeteners
Hi Evelyn Sorry that you are not feeling well.
Hope you get to feeling better soon.
I have never heard of Stevia
I guess a health store would have a cook book.
Take Care Colleen in IL
Re: Stevia/Artificial sweeteners
Thank you, Colleen. I have been feeling a little better today. The weather is a little warmer, and that seems to help. I don't go shopping much, but I'd like to get a Stevia cookbook also. A friend of mine ordered me some Stevia from a co-op. I haven't had it very long. I think it's a relatively new product.
Evelyn
Re: Evelyn
Sounds like you're really going through a rough time. I hope you feel better soon. I hope it wasn't a stroke you had - I can't imagine what you're dealing with, but my thoughts are with you.Shanasy
--modified by Shanasy in IL at Mon, Jun 10, 2002, 08:55:46
Re: Evelyn
Thanks, Shanasy. I'm feeling a litle better. All I wanted to do for a few days was sleep. My body must have needed that.
Evelyn
Re: Evelyn
Good to hear you are feeling a bit better. i hope that you continue to improve!
Best wishes
Claire
Re: Evelyn
Thanks, Claire.
It's very warm here today, and probably another reason that I moved slowly:) I went south to the Seattle/Tacoma area to have lunch with another deaf friend who has had two implants without a lot of success. I took my trusty writing board for communication. Hubby dropped me off, then met a friend for lunch also.
Evelyn
Re: testing/Sally/Kathy/Shanasy
Actually, i only have a sweet tooth once in a while. I'll have to read about it. I have not been on my computer now for several days; my eyes have been really bad.
Re: Re:animal testing
Sally - "They" say no question is too dumb to ask, so I'll shoot it out to you -- I have always wondered if, when you take part in a research program for a new medicine, do you continue on your current medicine for the duration of the reaearch? It seems to me that you should continue your regular meds, but does that affect the research results? And, if you get the placebo, isn't that dangerous if you're not taking the regular meds? Just curious! Mary
Re: RESEARCH STUDY
Mary, I can say something about that from a Canadian viewpoint. I'm on a blind study as they diagnosed me with impaired glucose intollerance, which could lead to diabetes 2 in a couple of years. Nobody knows whether I'm on one of 2 medications and/or placebos during this study. I am continuing my other medications though whilst being part of this 3-5-year study at a local hospital (the question you asked about). The last 3-4 weeks I've become totally exhausted and am wondering if the blind-study medications might be causing this. I have to see my doctor in a week's time about this as the hospital RN doesn't think this is possible (the doctor-in-charge is in Japan right now). IF I am on one or more of these medications I found out that the side effects could be hyperglycemia (tiredness, nausea and dizzyness - all things I have been experiencing)! The research study sounded a good thing to do when I first joined it and then, when I was diagnosed, I thought it would be best to be under the hospital care. Now I'm wondering if that's right! Nothing is as easy as it looks:-)June in Toronto who has just cancelled a trip because my eyes are so very bad and with everything else.........am feeling sorry for myself!
--modified by June in Toronto at Wed, May 29, 2002, 14:43:35
Re: RESEARCH STUDY
June, I've been wondering about you since I haven't seen you on the BB for awhile now. Was just going to e-mail and ask if you are okay, when I got your forward, so knew you were somewhat up and about.Sorry to hear about your eyes and other problems. One thing and another in this battle. Just feel as sorry for yourself as you like. We'll all join in with the pity bit. Take care. Sally in North Idaho
Re: Re:animal testing
Mary, the first question I asked was "Do I keep taking my current meds?" The answer was a definite YES. The endocrinologist was wanting to put me on an additional pill, but thought this research thing would be good to try. I am wondering, however: if I am given the placebo, will I lose ground in control of my diabetes due to not taking the additional pill instead? Thoughts to consider. I go tomorrow morning for exam and evaluation and will know more then.Sally in North Idaho who just finished baking cookies for a funeral tomorrow. Young neighbor, age 21, drowned over the week-end. I don't know the family except by sight; they keep pretty much to themselves. Cookies are finished so I can now go to bed!
Re: Re:animal testing
Oh! How sad for your neighbour! It must be so wawful for them..my heart goes out to them. I can't imagine the pain of losing someone so young and so tragically. How thoughtful of you to bake the cookies, and I'm sure they'll know that you will be there any time you need them.Hope your exam and evaluation went OK
Claire UK
Re: Re:animal testing
I want to be "cured" as much as anyone else, but I DO NOT want a cure that comes from the suffering and torture of innocent animals. I'd just as soon be the research subject myself. I agree with Shanasy that there is far too much difference between human animals and other species. Big Bucks play too big a part in the research game. Technology is advanced enough now to do the job without harming God's creatures who cannot speak for themselves. Just my humble opinion.Sally in North Idaho
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